How will schools be able to go back in September?

downthemiddle wrote: »

You don't place any value on their ability as educators?

No, because they shouldn’t be educating. They should be running a school. There’s plenty of work in that.

downthemiddle wrote: »

You need to cut that fringe girl. It is clearly interfering with your view of the world.

Why because I don't share your views?

Opinions are like a**holes, everyone has one but they all think each others stink.

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

Evidence of claim of strike action? Evidence? Give it a few weeks.

You need to cut that fringe girl. It is clearly interfering with your view of the world.

Lillyfae wrote: »

Facility and procurement expert with management capabilities.

How do they fulfill the role of teaching principal so which is the case in well over half the primary schools?

Lillyfae wrote: »

Facility and procurement expert with management capabilities.

You don't place any value on their ability as educators?

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

Evidence of claim of strike action? Evidence? Give it a few weeks.

So you can tell the future so?

downthemiddle wrote: »

How would you define the role of the principal?

Facility and procurement expert with management capabilities.

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

That would sort of ape the UK system. Trust me we don't want that coming in here. Schools run as businesses and pitted against each other for funding. A discussion for a totally different thread though.

Doesn't sound like a bad idea, might shake things up a bit.

Our education system badly needs an injection of funding but it also needs to have some independent leadership which might come from a business based model rather than what we have currently.

downthemiddle wrote: »

What a startling insight. Do you think the vomit magically disappears all on its own?
I'm still waiting for you to provide evidence of your claim of strike action. Surely you don't make statements you can't substantiate.

They said they have to wait to clean it up as did other teachers. It's easy enough to just get it sorted there and then if they had the means to.

It's not exactly rocket science.

Evidence of claim of strike action? Evidence? Give it a few weeks.

BonsaiKitten

Lillyfae wrote: »

Somebody else brought up the UK, not me, but there are plenty of other countries where schools are run in this way where the outcomes are fine.

No I don’t want an admin principal. I just don’t think a teaching qualification and career is sufficient to be the principal of a school, and that is what every school in the country has.

And yet you've demonstrated already that you know very little about the running of a school. Forgive me if I don't take your views on appropriate qualifications for principals all that seriously.

Lillyfae wrote: »

Somebody else brought up the UK, not me, but there are plenty of other countries where schools are run in this way where the outcomes are fine.

No I don’t want an admin principal. I just don’t think a teaching qualification and career is sufficient to be the principal of a school, and that is what every school in the country has.

How would you define the role of the principal?

BonsaiKitten wrote: »

You shouldn't, our system routinely outperforms them and they have a higher teacher burnout rate. Something we can ill afford - we don't have enough sub teachers as it is.

What you want is a full time admin principal for every school. I think every principal in the country would be in agreement with you on that one. Again, it comes down to the Government being willing to pay for it (and for full time cleaners/caretakers/nurses). That is where the ire should be directed, not at schools who are trying to cope as best they can.

Somebody else brought up the UK, not me, but there are plenty of other countries where schools are run in this way where the outcomes are fine.

No I don’t want an admin principal. I just don’t think a teaching qualification and career is sufficient to be the principal of a school, and that is what every school in the country has.

s1ippy

downthemiddle wrote: »

If you feel health and safety guidelines shouldn’t apply to schools contact your local TD and ask them to table a private members bill to that effect. I’m sure most teachers would be delighted to have their lunch in peace instead of having to do yard duty.

Wouldn't even work because insurance is too expensive. Unless you made parents sign a waiver saying that school staff are not responsible for anything that happens to their child on the premises. That would actually solve a heap of problems.

Orchids wrote: »

Hazmat suit for all staff????

Brilliant I've never heard this suggested before, if you can provide hazmat suits I suggest you write to the department.

Millem wrote: »

Maybe it’s the 2% restoration on the 1st of October? The one ALL public sector employees will be getting.

Yeah and they all deserve it except teachers because they're the scum of the earth if posters in this thread are to be believed.

Hubertj wrote: »

That’s what it really comes down to. Unions holding the public to ransom for a pay increase. And this comes after them having months off work on full pay. Quite sickening really.

Reported: This person is flaming and knows it, as they have been repeatedly told that teachers aren't off work. If people repeatedly claimed about Apple employees or any other workers that they were off for months while they were working from home they'd probably have litigation against them but this thread exists solely for people to attack teachers.

Posters who are intentionally posting false information over and over again even after correction are just here to antagonise teachers when this really should be a discussion on what can be done as opposed to how bad teachers are. Just an opinion.

Lillyfae wrote: »

Seriously, there’s no caretaker? Couldn’t you give them a quick buzz to let them know there’s vomit on the floor and they need to get their sawdust and mop?Schools are underfunded and buildings are seriously lacking, I’ll give you that, but
there is no need to exaggerate the situation.

I genuinely laughed out loud at this poster thinking a caretaker would be available in a school, especially to clean up puke. Can you imagine it. Schools I worked in about eight years ago you'd have to go around with a hammer beating in sharp nails sticking out of things and if you wanted a notice board or coat hooks up, you were purchasing and hanging them yourselves.

Think about all the issues in your workplace and now imagine how much worse they'd get if there was no funding, 90% of the people in the building were liable to stick their fingers in plug sockets or encounter similar danger at any moment and most of your colleagues don't have expertise in anything except telling other people what to do. That's why I left teaching.

BonsaiKitten

Lillyfae wrote: »

I think that sounds great, even with the obvious bias in your post.

You shouldn't, our system routinely outperforms them and they have a higher teacher burnout rate. Something we can ill afford - we don't have enough sub teachers as it is.

What you want is a full time admin principal for every school. I think every principal in the country would be in agreement with you on that one. Again, it comes down to the Government being willing to pay for it (and for full time cleaners/caretakers/nurses). That is where the ire should be directed, not at schools who are trying to cope as best they can.

Lillyfae wrote: »

I think that sounds great, even with the obvious bias in your post.

Having taught in the system I think I've more knowledge rather than bias. Check out any of the Educating series from either BBC or Channel 4 to see what happens when schools are run as businesses.

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

That would sort of ape the UK system. Trust me we don't want that coming in here. Schools run as businesses and pitted against each other for funding. A discussion for a totally different thread though.

I think that sounds great, even with the obvious bias in your post.

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

If it common enough why is there no plan for it happening?

A small cleaning kit in each class wouldn't be too much trouble now would it?

What a startling insight. Do you think the vomit magically disappears all on its own?
I'm still waiting for you to provide evidence of your claim of strike action. Surely you don't make statements you can't substantiate.

Lillyfae wrote: »

I’m not attacking you. You’re a teacher so it’s definitely not your job. I think a big problem is that the principal is a teacher too. Wouldn’t it be more useful to have a management specialist (ie someone who has education in facilities, procurement and people management) than an ex teacher who is up to date with their cpd?

That would sort of ape the UK system. Trust me we don't want that coming in here. Schools run as businesses and pitted against each other for funding. A discussion for a totally different thread though.

Lillyfae wrote: »

I’m not attacking you. You’re a teacher so it’s definitely not your job. I think a big problem is that the principal is a teacher too. Wouldn’t it be more useful to have a management specialist (ie someone who has education in facilities, procurement and people management) than an ex teacher who is up to date with their cpd?

Yeah this would be great. There are also school nurses at least part time In other countries. This would be so useful for every school now to have one even shared part time.

Dublingirl80 wrote: »

Who didn't realise? You're the one who seemed to think that was what caretakers are for???

It was when I was in school. Every school should have a bloody caretaker.

Dublingirl80 wrote: »

Lilyfae you could always turn your hand to managing it. The funding is just not enough. There lies all the issues.

I’m not attacking you. You’re a teacher so it’s definitely not your job. I think a big problem is that the principal is a teacher too. Wouldn’t it be more useful to have a management specialist (ie someone who has education in facilities, procurement and people management) than an ex teacher who is up to date with their cpd?

Just to put it into perspective. Think how common on current situations with no distancing it is for children to get headlice. Now imagine it was covid 19 not headlice. That is the reality.

I once had a child puke all over me while having an inspector visit. Had to continue teaching until break time.

Lillyfae wrote: »

Funny how people who go into primary teaching don’t realize that children sometimes puke either.

Who didn't realise? You're the one who seemed to think that was what caretakers are for???

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

If it common enough why is there no plan for it happening?

A small cleaning kit in each class wouldn't be too much trouble now would it?

Funny how people who struggled to look after their own kids and do their jobs ar home now are acting like 28 kids and cleaning vomit is such a piece of cake. People do sort out the issues but there can be many issues at the same time. Eg a kid vomited you also need to phone the parents etv look after them and 27 other kids, supervise them all because if anyone slips and you're gone there is an insurance claim. You have literally no idea.

Dublingirl80 wrote: »

It's not a caretakers job to clean vomit by the way. Teachers usually do it. Funny how the same people everyone calls so lazy happen to also clean up your kids vomit without anyone even realising it's a common enough part of the job.

Funny how people who go into primary teaching don’t realize that children sometimes puke either.

Lillyfae wrote: »

Evidently. No school will be able to reopen by the sounds of things. The management of them is shocking without any pandemic.

Lilyfae you could always turn your hand to managing it. The funding is just not enough. There lies all the issues.

Dublingirl80 wrote: »

It's not a caretakers job to clean vomit by the way. Teachers usually do it. Funny how the same people everyone calls so lazy happen to also clean up your kids vomit without anyone even realising it's a common enough part of the job.

If it common enough why is there no plan for it happening?

A small cleaning kit in each class wouldn't be too much trouble now would it?

Dublingirl80 wrote: »

You seem to not realise this is literally the tip of the iceberg as far as issues.

Evidently. No school will be able to reopen by the sounds of things. The management of them is shocking without any pandemic.