Dublingirl80 wrote: » https://schoolsweek.co.uk/ons-figures-reveal-65-covid-related-deaths-in-education/ As this is from a while ago it is no doubt more. Done discussing this. Not into the business of discussing numbers as if people expendable. The only reason I mentioned it was to highlight that it has happened. I think you're the type of person that would argue all day and night on boards and I'm the fool who is taking the bait. I believe every job should be as safe as it can be and would argue for any profession where safety standards weren't being upheld. I think it's really really sad that people's bitterness and resentment towards teachers is fuelling this disregard for their health ans safety. And let's remember any covid spread in a school goes back to all the homes the children go home to too. So all these work from home parents who can happily and safely work from home till january will not be safe it either. Teachers are actually fighting for everyone's right to health here but people are just too blind to see it. This thread is really toxic.
Dublingirl80 wrote: » So all these work from home parents who can happily and safely work from home till january will not be safe it either.
Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: » That comes across as a bit envious to be honest. Not many parents actually have the option to work from home at all and will be well back to work by the time September comes and it's business as usual for many who never actually stopped working. Some have had to choose to leave their jobs and others have been fired due to the lack of available childcare options. Others will have seen their own businesses decimated. Pay cuts for a lot of people who have managed to hold on to their jobs, less hours available, no annual leave accrual for those on covid payments etc etc
kandr10 wrote: » You have made this claim before that not many people can work from home. Where are you getting the info on those numbers? There’s a lot of speculation on here based on people’s own experiences. I know you’ve been working throughout and presumably are in contact with people who have not been working from home. My experience on the other hand is that most people I know have been able to. My experience is very few kids or teens have been mixing whereas yours, and the experience of a few others is different. So who is right? Is our own perception just skewed?
iamwhoiam wrote: » It very much depend on where you are maybe ? I look at my own road and estate and family . Most here in my area cannot work from home , taxi drivers, retail, nurses , carers , lab staff , creche workers , electricians , plumbers , An post workers , chefs , drivers , hair dressers , porters , fire fighters and Gardai etc And I see kids daily playing together , teens sitting in small groups on greens , kids in playgrounds etc Mind you having said all that not a single person in the estate has been hospitalised with Covid or indeed have I heard of anyone who had it locally
selectamatic wrote: » Ya see the thing there is that none of those workers listed will be in a normal to small sized room for near 5 hours with roughly 25+ other people save for maybe creche workers although from my understanding they're operating small sized bubbles with one adult per bubble. People want to say shur just go back as normal like everyone else and tbh I'm prepared to do so as I'm young and in perfect health but the thing is most workers aren't back as normal there are measures in place for them or their line of work doesn't take place in confined crowded indoor places so going back as normal isn't a problem. Very few people outside of the education sector seem to grasp the risks teachers will be facing if this virus isn't all but gone come September.
BonsaiKitten wrote: » It must be a frightening time for parents of immuno compromised children (or parents with conditions themselves). What happens to those kids in September? Or teachers for that matter - like you selecta I'm in perfect health and going back doesn't trouble me but some of my colleagues have health conditions. In my ideal world there'd be some sort of online schooling where immuno compromised teachers teach the children who can't attend school. It is probably unworkable but God, I wouldn't like to be facing the choice some parents will have to make.
Dublingirl80 wrote: » I think people forget that there have been many people who were young and not immunocompromised that have actually died from this. It's not the majority but it's a good number. I feel particularly sorry for those immunocompromised and older but the fact is there is people who were in good health who have died from this virus. It really is quite frightening when you read their stories.
Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: » People with underlying conditions or who are immunocompromised are already very used to having to take extra precautions to protect themselves.This is nothing new for them, they make these choices all of time.
Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: » People with underlying conditions or who are immunocompromised are already very used to having to take extra precautions to protect themselves. This is nothing new for them, they make these choices all of time.
downthemiddle wrote: » A really poor post.
iamwhoiam wrote: » I have searched and found no numbers for covid deaths in under 20’s . I have only found numbers of 17 deaths in under 30 but it doesn’t give any indication of whether they had underlying conditions Have you any numbers that indicate there were many deaths in young people with no underlying conditions ? Ps Just found it after a lot of searching. Up to June 20 th there were 2300 cases under 25 and no deaths in that age grouphttps://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/br/b-cdc/covid-19deathsandcasesseries5/
Murple wrote: » I think some people interpret ‘underlying conditions’ to mean ‘at deaths door’. Many, many people with underlying conditions can live lives close to normal, bar extra checkups and regular medication. Can you imagine if after a bad road crash or fire, the report read ‘8 people have died. 4 of them had underlying conditions’. It’s almost if when people hear underlying conditions, they think to themselves ‘oh well, that’s not so bad’. ‘Underlying conditions‘ could be asthma or Crohns.
Dublingirl80 wrote: » Are you only talking about Irish cases? The virus has killed many people in their 20s and 30s, some here and many in other countries as we have had lower number of deaths due to the lockdown. But trust me I've read of young doctors in china, young nurses and when I say young I'm more talking 20s and 30s and 40s though there have also been some cases of children and teens. Sorry but not just referring to Ireland as Irish statistics aren't the only ones that count. If a 30 year old can die from this in china then it is still scary.
iamwhoiam wrote: » I understand your point .I was answering a post that claimed there were many deaths among young people and this seems not to be the case at all .
Dublingirl80 wrote: » I'm not just talking about Ireland here. You do realise there have bee 500000 deaths?
iamwhoiam wrote: » Yes thanks I do realise , no need to be patronising . I presumed you were speaking about Ireland as we were discussing schools in Ireland
Dublingirl80 wrote: » I think it's better to look at the world as a whole when it comes to the virus. Especially given the quarantine here is a joke and not even enforced.
iamwhoiam wrote: » I agree the quarantine here is a joke but has no bearing on the death rate by age group as such
Dublingirl80 wrote: » If the quarantine is not enforced ans the numbers increase again then it is relevant. I would personally prefer to live in new zealans where they do quarantine properly.
