fr336 wrote: » What's up with Scotland making face coverings compulsory in shops? It's almost like they want to get rid of the virus and return to fully normal life rather than stop and start local lockdowns, social distancing and all the other crap England seems determined to carry on with because they they're above the whole mask thing. England's policy: "Why think about tomorrow when there's a pint in it today?"
dfx- wrote: » if we had a cent for every "in two weeks it will be worse" and "the second wave", the streets could be paved with gold. It's the bogeyman that never has to go away. No matter what happens, "in two weeks" it will be worse.
fr336 wrote: » As someone who suffers from extreme anxiety myself, I find the we can't wear masks because people may get anxious argument laughable. Sure if it's coming from anxious people themselves, but 80-90% of society is not anxious at all. Probably more. So what's their excuse? It's all about the herd and not wanting to stand out - I guarantee if mask wearing reached a certain %, the rest of the population would fall in line. It is tragic that even in a once in a lifetime pandemic what scares people more than anything else is looking strange. So much for the western notion of the individual
tonysopprano wrote: » Effectiveness against WHAT?
Wibbs wrote: » Maybe in some small cluster areas but overall no.
Wibbs wrote: » I suspect and have since way back that the "second wave" won't materialise to nearly the same extent as some are predicting(mostly on extrapolating how the 1918 pandemic panned out). Maybe in some small cluster areas but overall no. Though the anxiety over this virus could come back alright when the usual coughs and sniffles return in the winter. I never believed the tens of thousands in Ireland dead precautions either, the fancier the "modelling" involved the dafter the predictions, or they were so vague as to be useless. Then again such modelling and projections are catnip to middle management types who get the horn for meetings and powerpoint and want to appear to be doing something and have some budget left over. You may as well read horoscopes otherwise. My personal take and again for a goodly while is that this virus already finds a large chunk of the population already immune to it. It was and is acting very strangely for a virus. Some get it very bad, some don't even notice, it's affecting different groups differently and in some households where one case is confirmed not everyone gets it(unlike flu or the common cold). It was the smokers being less affected that swung it for me, given they already have compromised lungs and touch their faces all the time. Just my take now, but I suspect that immunity or resistance to Covid19 has been conferred on much of the population because of a common cold/"there's a bug going" around that spread through much of the population in the last three or so years. This rather than nicotine could explain the smokers. They get respiratory illnesses far more often than non smokers, so were more likely to get this possible bug in the last few years. Plus the elderly are less prone to seasonal colds. True and like I said earlier while this has been a worldwide disaster of a dose, thank the fates or whichever god you pray to that it wasn't something like a new strain of smallpox that emerged from a Chinese wet market. It laid bare how unprepared we are for such things, even the Asians were caught napping, but the West really dragged heels. That and the way many people have reacted even when this was seen as a major threat to health. If a smallpox type virus came back.... Jesus.
Speaking on RTE, the infections expert said: “This is not just on our health service. Unfortunately, I think this is going to be a transformation of our society.“The best metaphor I can think of is the Spanish Flu mixed up with the Irish Civil War which was 100 years ago mixed up with the 1929 stock market crash — altogether at the same time.
The medical expert, who is Head of the Department of International Health and Tropical Medicine, said a worse case scenario could see up to 120,000 people die in Ireland with up to four million infected.
Excess deaths in Ireland from March to June were "substantially" less than the officially reported Covid-19 figures, analysis from the Health Information and Quality Authority has found..... HIQA's Chief Scientist, Dr Conor Teljeur, said: "Based on an analysis of the death notices reported on RIP.ie since 2010, there is clear evidence of excess deaths occurring since the first reported death due to Covid-19 in Ireland. "There were about 1,100 to 1,200 more deaths than we would expect based on historical patterns; a 13% increase between 11 March to 16 June. However, the number of excess deaths is substantially less than the reported 1,709 Covid-19-related deaths over the same period."
Bit cynical wrote: » Another aspect is that during the peak of infections the general advice was that masks were of little use for the general public, possibly worse than not wearing one, not effective unless trained in their use, and so forth. Now with infections reduced through more economically damaging measures, pubs opening and a lot of the fear gone, there is little chance that the majority are going to start wearing them now.
AlekSmart wrote: » As you allude to,and many people on reflection recall,the October-December 2019 period saw many people fall ill with a debilitating flu-like 'Bug' which,from speaking with some who had it,completely floored them,to the extent of spending Christmas shivering in bed. Whether or not that transfers into immunity to CV-19 is open to debate,but it does indicate that everybody was happily interacting and high-fiving for many months before the WHO's snappy title department came up with Covid-19 as a title to focus our attention on.
Boggles wrote: » There is zero evidence the virus was in Europe before mid December, apart from people claiming they had a bad dose, which could have just been a bad dose.
khalessi wrote: » No but there were French army athletes who attended the World War games in October in Wuchan, China along with Ireland and other countries who became sick as a result
Wyldwood wrote: Was in the supermarket today and was pleasantly surprised to see more than 50% of people masked and along comes a guy shouting at people that masks were useless, there's no virus and the whole world was shut down for nothing. Nor did he keep his distance. Intimidating those of us wearing masks.
This time with style wrote: » Oh. One of the enlightened...
xhomelezz wrote: » Pubs are open, there's gonna be more prophets coming
Wyldwood wrote: » Was in the supermarket today and was pleasantly surprised to see more than 50% of people masked and along comes a guy shouting at people that masks were useless, there's no virus and the whole world was shut down for nothing. Nor did he keep his distance. Intimidating those of us wearing masks.
railer201 wrote: » ........when the alcohol inspired 'super logic' sets in.
AdamD wrote: The people continously posting this seem oblivious to the fact that this has been trotting out for about 2 months now, yet cases decline..
Living Off The Splash wrote: » Saw an elderly couple walking through Stillorgan Shopping Centre yesterday. She was wearing a mask. He was walking along beside her with no mask. I am trying to figure out the logic of this?
is_that_so wrote: » I see this fairly often although it can be either. I suppose it's could down to them feeling very nervous or having a condition that puts them potentially at risk.
is_that_so wrote: » I see this fairly often although it can be either. I suppose it could down to them feeling very nervous or having a condition that puts them potentially at risk.
Living Off The Splash wrote: » But he wasn't wearing a mask.....he picks up Covid…..then passes it on to the wife when he goes home when she takes off her mask.
Stark wrote: » Maybe they function as independent minds and she's pro mask while he's of a more stubborn disposition.
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