thomasdylan wrote: » Masks aren't used for MRSA.
khalessi wrote: » Really they were when I was nursing, masks gloves white aprons and patients in side rooms where possible. If not now sad to see it going backwards. ALso used them dealing with Clos.Diff.
thomasdylan wrote: » That must be 10+ years ago. There has been a huge difference between the attitudes shown by the ASTI on one side and the INMO and the IMO. 'No teacher will be required to do anything' was what the ASTI said in April about leaving cert preparations.
History Queen wrote: » That was when they (the two second level teaching unions) were encouraging teachers to volunteer the month of June to being available to LC students and commit to two yearsface to face teaching in July prior to the deferred exams. That statement was in relation to being questioned on whether teachers would be setting a precedent for working more weeks without pay if I recall correctly. The unions were adament that this be recognised as goodwill/voluntary not a change of working conditions. Just providing context as the quote can be misconstrued to make people think teachers were refusing to work. That wasn't the case.
thomasdylan wrote: » I don't think working two weeks extra because of a once in a generation global pandemic would have set a precedent.
thomasdylan wrote: » https://mobile.twitter.com/apsmunro/status/1278714280448319489 A very good summary of the information available so far on the return to school. Should be mostly reassuring reading.
khalessi wrote: » Yes twitter is where I go for medical advice. There are actual interim documents to look at from the HSE for example
History Queen wrote: » I heard that too but that was in answer to what a classroom with 30 children an sna and a teacher would look like in September. According to the guidelines issued, it would be empty as no classroom in the country can accomodate that while adhering to 1m distancing. The rooms are not physically big enough. Ciaran Christie was replying to a politician who in fairness was genuinely trying to understand the issues and I think he (Christie) was a bit frustrated that they didn't seem to understand just how overcrowded some of our classrooms are and how some of the guidelines cannot work with full cohorts of students. He could have phrased it better and was blunt but if we adheare to the guidance issued, most classrooms would be empty in that circumstance (or the class split in to smaller groups). Edit: Obviously I can't speak for every classroom but I've never been in a classroom that big and I've taught in a few schools.
thomasdylan wrote: » Did you look at what I linked? It's a referenced summary of the available evidence on Covid, teachers and students. It's really good. And twitter can be fantastic for medical education. Just search for #foamed and see the resources and communities of medical professionals there are on twitter. I think it's a bit funny for you to get snippy about linking research when you repeatedly posted here about 'a study from John Hopkins' that didn't show what you were claiming it did at all. Whether that was intentional or unintentional I don't know.
History Queen wrote: » Really interesting read. The article that thread referenced that went through what steps schools took to prevent spread is also interesting and shows the importance of increased hygiene/health and safety measures. That's all we are looking for. The successful regions all implemented some sort of increased health and hygiene protocols. Isreal then, where they are having issues with new school related cases, seem not to have. I need to read up on it more as I'm not familiar with their education system.https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8406723/amp/Secondary-schools-resume-Spain-Netherlands-South-Africa.html?__twitter_impression=true
thomasdylan wrote: » Yes I think if you're having schools go back there needs to be a protocol if there is an outbreak of cases in a school and results within 24 hours. Individual schools should be shut very quickly if there is a spike. The other issue I would see is that there will be students sent to school when they are unwell. I don't know how you get around that. Temperature checks in the morning don't really help for screening but at least having them there would hopefully dissuade parents from sending those kids to school.
Alex86Eire wrote: » I'd absolutely love to get back to school full time in September. It will be impossible if the 1 m rule is still in play. I think I'd be happy out if they scrapped the 1 m rule, we social distanced where/if possible and the govt funded PPE/deep cleaning/temperature checking materials.
richardw001 wrote: » Most of the country is back working now and dealing with Covid as best they can - and the latest information abroad does indicate that there is significantly less risk in schools than most other places. So maybe I misread it - It really came accross as ASTI would basically refuse to turn up to work, as a union deciding they know better than the rest of the world and would decide when they return to work (and on what terms) So I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and assume this is not the case :-) Because really I think if it did does turn out to be the stance they are taking - I think they will be in for a shock on how the rest of the country will react to them. With everyone else trying to get on with life as best they can - trying to dictate terms would not be a good place to be.
Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: » It really not surprising, difficult for the sake of it. They will be doing their members a great disservice with their attitude rather than trying to work together and get the show on the road. Let them drag their members into strike action and see how well that works out for them. Because people have had quite enough of it at this stage and there will be zero public support or sympathy. No teacher wants to go unpaid and be on the picket line, definitely not somewhere anyone would want to be under these current circumstances.
BonsaiKitten wrote: » Yeah, not over summer we're not. The salary covers termtime only but gets split over 12 months. Quite happy to do a few extra weeks if they pay me properly - though I can't see the Govt going for it!
History Queen wrote: » Yes students being sent in ill (and teachers coming to school ill) is a problem. Also, purely as I work in second level I want schools to have a robust and clear no nonsense clause in their code of behaviour that parents sign up to for dealing with students coughing on/at each other and staff. Teenagers at the end of the day are teenagers and will do these things 'for the craic' and see no harm in it. (I've mentioned this before but just to be clear its just a local arrangement issue not a keep the schools closed argument!) I could be wrong but I could swear I read something in the guidance document specifically saying schools shouldn't take temperatures as a screening tool... I could be wrong now on that I'll try find where I saw it.
khalessi wrote: » It was mentioned in the HSE interim document and again during todays debate in the Dail
99nsr125 wrote: » Sigh How many contributions do you get per year 1 per week over the entire year or 1 per week of term time If it's the former then you are either at work or on vacation. Could you claim social welfare outside of term time, if the answer is no then surely the answer is . . . . My better half is a teacher these are her points
khalessi wrote: » The reason you didnt hear anything about it from the Nurses Union, is because ppe and restrictions were already in place and were upgraded, without having to be persuaded. They spent millions shipping in PPE and setting up wards hiring hotels etc. The Departement offered to centrally buy soap. So forgive the unions if they are worried but it needs to be said. Like you say everyone is entitled to safe workspace and for teachers the only way it will be got is if noise is made to bring it to the attention of public and Dept. They are trying to protect staff and your children and mine. The Dept were also supposed to issue guideline a fornight ago but didnt spoke instead of aspirations and bespoke solutions. Instead guideline issued by HSE
