tom1ie wrote: » Do you think we will have a workable solution in place that involves all kids getting 5 days a week starting September?
History Queen wrote: » That's the message I'm trying to get across. We (teachers) are not the issue here. We want to know sooner rather than later what will be happening also. I'm hopeful for this minister as she was still teaching until February this year and should be very aware of day to day realities in schools as a result. Shes unknown as she is a first time TD. Saying that we've had teachers as minister before and it didn't help. Who knows?
tom1ie wrote: » Well I don’t know but the people on the ground are blaming the teachers. This may not be the case as you state above but your union is doing a ****e job of explains this. Will the new minister make any difference? Does she have a clue? I’ll be honest I’ve never heard of her. I just wanna get my young kids back into their education now.
History Queen wrote: » I agree with you! Teachers are constantly pleading with the Department of Education to work more efficiently. Look at the rough guidelines they issued this week. AFTER schools had closed. Guidelines on remote teaching were issued weeks after schools began remote teaching. LC predictive grade guidelines issued weeks after teachers were told to begin the work! It is a hugely inefficient Dept in dire need of an overhaul.
tom1ie wrote: » Lol! Esb engineers were in work the whole time. The solution Is for teachers to wear appropriate ppe after risk assessing the situation. Tell me why this is not the answer.
tom1ie wrote: » When, by who? The week before schools go back will not be good enough. Parents and Teachers need lead in times.
History Queen wrote: » You do realise many teachers are also parents and faced the same issues? Lots of workplaces, like schools, were not setup for remote working and didn't have the same output. Staff still got paid. Some workers were essential but couldn't work remotely so got paid as normal but didn't work at all or worked very little but were'on call' in case of breakdowns to essential services(ESB engineers for example).
tom1ie wrote: » WFH for most employees gives the same output as when those employees are in the office. Doesn’t work for teachers as they are not teaching the kids on a daily basis. Furthermore as the kids are not in school this effects the parents who wfh who have to up their game even more to compensate for the teacher not being in their workplace, at the same time as staying productive via wfh.
PowerToWait wrote: » Take one for the team? This is one of the dumbest posts this week.
History Queen wrote: » Yes. I've consistently said that. I believe solutions will be found.
tom1ie wrote: » Parents cannot go back to work without teachers going back to work so the economy can’t get back on track without teachers taking one for the team.
History Queen wrote: » Ask the Department of Education. Submissions were made to them by school management and unions. I suppose to be fair, risk assessments are probably better described as ongoing rather than not happening. Union reps were in Dail answering questions today about the risks.
History Queen wrote: » As far as I know every employee working from home was paid same as teachers? If teachers refuse to go to work they won't be paid. What do you think happens on strike days?
CruelSummer wrote: » P.s. Children are actively mixing currently at playdates, parties and playgrounds
tom1ie wrote: » Fine, so will you go back?
tom1ie wrote: » Ok, why?
History Queen wrote: » No I'm ready to go back at the start of the school year in August.
tom1ie wrote: » So you are ready to go back tomorrow but the dept of education is stopping you, is that the case?
History Queen wrote: » The risk assessment hasn't taken place yet in schools. Thats the issue.
tom1ie wrote: » If you were no different you would be back at work! You are fundamentally different as you get paid regardless wether you are in your workplace or the current situation. This is a fact would you not agree?
History Queen wrote: » Because the Dept of Education has the ultimate duty of care to the students and staff of the schools. They are where the funding/staffing allocation etc. comes from. School management can sign off on nothing substantially different without Dept say so.
tom1ie wrote: » Nah that doesn’t work. Construction workers cant say I don’t like the way the site is laid out I’m not working. They’d be sacked in the morning , whereas teachers won’t. Builders have to risk asses and mitigate those risks by engineering solutions or using ppe as a last resort, but use it they will. Why can’t teachers use face shields? Again I am asking about early primary here.
ax530 wrote: » Many work places shops, factories, crèche s ect worked with guidelines and public health advice available shortly before reopening. Management figured out how to make it work with their premises staff and work practices. I cannot understand why school management cannot do the same. Why do they need to be hand held given step by step by dept. Different crèches are doing different things (some no shoes ect) presume same can be done for school. All going well (no changes due to second wave) schools will be one of the last workplaces returning. Can each school not just have management meeting Aug tell all staff & students what process will be. They will have benefited from seeing what works for others in July. I think all children should go back to school Sept.
History Queen wrote: » Our point is we are not different. We want workable safety protocols like all those other employees. It's just the way schools are designed is causing an issue in figuring out how to put that in place.
tom1ie wrote: » I can understand why teachers are saying this, however to keep the social fabric of this country going, teachers are just going to have to deal with coming into close contact with pupils and each other. Parents cannot go back to work without teachers going back to work so the economy can’t get back on track without teachers taking one for the team. Crèche workers are back, doctors and nurses never stopped working. Why are teachers different? Yes primary teachers (which is what I’m interested in at the moment) have sent out lists of work every week, but it’s a much reduced workload for them the way things stand.
Ankleclock wrote: » As safe as possible is ironic because then you simply wouldn't send children back to school. In life you have to accept some risk. Road safety laws do not make road travel as safe as possible. The safest rule would be the ban road travel altogether. Even ignoring that option, you could increase safety by making the maximum speed limit 30 mph. So in summary you have to accept some risk in life. Children have missed out on enough education already, they need to go back to school in September. I would suggest clear face shields could mitigate the risk. I think any young teacher in good health who refuses to go back to work in September should be fired.
wirelessdude01 wrote: » Good to see you have the ability to construct an original thought. Was it Ivan Yates or that idiot Ciara Kelly or perhaps both that told you we were on holidays and/or want more money? I just want to be able to get back to my classroom in a safe way. Don't think that is too much to ask for from an employer. Do you think it is unreasonable? If you do, why is it?
