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The Last Of Us 2

Fox Hound

Hey so I have been seeing some stuff on social media that this is going to be officially announced this week?
Anyone know if this is true.....if so I cant wait, I absolutely loved the first game!!!

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J. Marston

Late game spoilers (I guess?)

When Tommy popped Manny's head like an egg I let out a "Yes!" through gritted teeth. Wonderful moment.

The Phantom Pain

I only had one major thing spoiled for me and that was regarding

Ellie finding out what Joel did and "hating him for it"

which was by a reviewer who posts on this forum who decided to put that in the opening paragraphs, thus ensuring i'll never read anything by them again. :rolleyes:

If there's anything that The Last of Us part 2 has taught me is that people don't apply their common sense when it comes to spoilers. Not surprised that sony marketed the way they did even if a lot of it was false advertising.

Will I Am Not

Every “no spoilers” review called it a

revenge story

. All gameplay shown was

Ellie

. I hadn’t seen anything that said

Joel dies

but I was waiting for it to happen from the get go.

The Raging Bile Duct

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

This isn’t a ‘false advertising’ complaint, but as I said early I do wish they’d been a bit more open about the basic premise of the game in pre-release material. Not to treat the prologue as some big, secretive spoiler that even reviewers couldn’t openly discuss (it’s absolutely absurd that critics weren’t able to mention the plot’s inciting incident in their reviews of the entire game). I think it could have been a great way to create more consistent expectations for the game and indeed conjure up some intrigue about how things would play out.

This idea that every plot development has to be big some big hush-hush secret just IMO gets in the way, and fosters the sort of exaggerated spoilerphobia and trolling we saw in the weeks before this game came out. Obviously don’t spell out the ending or anything like that, but give enough detail to just let people know the very basics of the game. They IMO missed a trick here in that regard.

Going in blind really helps to make everything that bit more interesting. I had a couple of things spoiled on me - one from just from clicking into Youtube to view something else - and I know they would have had a much bigger impact if I didn't know they were coming up and was waiting for the plot point to happen. Thankfully it didn't happen for too many things and for the things that were spoiled on me it wasn't a big deal... I'm in my forties so if I couldn't handle discovering a couple of spoilers, I'd really have to some serious words with myself.

This stuff I've seen online of people with petitions demanding that ND rewrite TLOU2 or complaining about being lied to... that is just the worst manbaby shít I've heard in a while. If that's how you're thinking, have a word with yourself.

johnny_ultimate

This isn’t a ‘false advertising’ complaint, but as I said early I do wish they’d been a bit more open about the basic premise of the game in pre-release material. Not to treat the prologue as some big, secretive spoiler that even reviewers couldn’t openly discuss (it’s absolutely absurd that critics weren’t able to mention the plot’s inciting incident in their reviews of the entire game). I think it could have been a great way to create more consistent expectations for the game and indeed conjure up some intrigue about how things would play out.

This idea that every plot development has to be big some big hush-hush secret just IMO gets in the way, and fosters the sort of exaggerated spoilerphobia and trolling we saw in the weeks before this game came out. Obviously don’t spell out the ending or anything like that, but give enough detail to just let people know the very basics of the game. They IMO missed a trick here in that regard.

Penn

Arcadeheroes wrote: »

There also seems to be alot of false advertising with the build up leading up to the release date . I remember vividly Neil saying
you dont have to kill the dog , but ellie kills owens dog in the Aquarium with no option not to

I think I remember they did say there was one dog you'd have to kill, but all others were optional

Mr.Prodston

Just finished it! I had managed to avoid all spoilers before release and during release. All I was aware of was that there was controversy about the plot or characters... so I kept waiting for something to happen. And I kept waiting until the end.... what on earth was the problem?

Guess I'd better go look at the other thread?

Anyway, I loved the game. Enjoyed the new and old characters alike. Gutted that it's finished now!

Arcadeheroes

Just watched the credits roll . I have already left a couple of my impressions already on this thread but I can finally give my overall opinion on this game .

I have stated a few times in the past already but I was not a fan of the first game . Outside of its incredibly presented Cutscenes and well written story I did not find Last of us that grate of a game . Between its clunky controls , its level design and the constant repetitiveness of its gameplay loop ,really left an unsatisfying experience for me as a whole.

So when Last of us 2 was announced to get a sequel my first thoughts were whats the point ? the first game was wrapped up so well it didnt need a sequel to my eyes, but it could of left an interesting chance for the game to change things up and follow another set of characters in the same world.

But E3 came around with its 20 minute game presentation and while the game looked incredible visually I was back to being confused why Naughty Dog decide to continue with Ellie and Joel. to me there was a missed opportunity.

The controversy surrounding Last of us 2 characters and how the way they were behaving and the storyarc as a whole is the least of the game problems imho.
the length of the game hurts it , 30 hours is way too long and I was feeling that after the 15 hour mark playing it .
Going back to the same locations more than once felt like the devs were running out of ideas when it came to different locations

there is only so many times you can make the aquarium interesting

The combat is actually kinda pathetic in alot of ways. The amount of money that went into this project and the development time I would of expected the game would not feel so prehistoric. it almost one to one the exact same as the first game outside of the dodge button and prone .

There also seems to be alot of false advertising with the build up leading up to the release date . I remember vividly Neil saying

you dont have to kill the dog , but ellie kills owens dog in the Aquarium with no option not to

it was also suggested the game would have a big amount of upgrade features to weapons when in reality , there was not that much at all.

Overall I give the game a 6/10.

[Deleted User]

gimli2112 wrote: »

I'm skipping the cutscenes on the second playthrough
(Joel and Ellie moments aside)
and watching a lot of loading screens. The cutscenes really do a good job of masking the loading screens

Good to know. I'm saving my survivor/survivor+ for a month or so.

Trying to play some strategy /racing games with the tunes going. Something uplifting!

Actually I just got Death stranding lol

gimli2112

I'm skipping the cutscenes on the second playthrough

(Joel and Ellie moments aside)

and watching a lot of loading screens. The cutscenes really do a good job of masking the loading screens

jones

Just finished aswell...all i can say is WOW. There's a lot to digest but i loved it, story, graphics, some amazing set pieces. A worthy follow up to one of my favourite games of all time.

9/10

JimBurnley

Just finished. A real rollercoaster of emotions, but thoroughly enjoyable from start to finish. Absolutely gorgeous looking game, with exceptional detail. Gameplay very similar to first one, but there is some decent progression with different enemies and combat styles. The storyline I thought was both brave and brilliant, but that's best left for the spoiler thread... all in all a game not without its faults, but a top experience nonetheless. Solid 8/10 for me.

Zero-Cool

The Phantom Pain wrote: »

On that note there seems to be some plot holes with the timeline of the different stages of infection because if he turned the same time they did then he would not be stalker or they would all be stalkers.

Yeah thought that myself, didn't make sense.

The Phantom Pain

Zero-Cool wrote: »

I think the notes really fill out the world. Like in Hillcrest, there is a great backstory going on with local archer Boris and the WLF that you learn from his daughters at and other notes scribbled around the place.

Here's the story for those not bothered to read the notes but might be interested in the story. I only found the final note today on my collectibles run and tied the whole thing together like why those runners were locked in a garage and how you get the bow.
Boris was an archer who won many trophies for the sport. His daughter drew a pic of him and said he's the best Hunter of infected. When WLF overthrew Fedra, the local hillcrest community weren't happy with the new rules in place. Boris's daughter was caught doing some anti wlf graffiti and shot to death. Boris decided to rally the community to get revenge but his friends were worried what might happen to them so decided to turn him in. Boris found out about the betrayal, poisoned them to fall asleep and locked them in a spore filled garage. One of his friends woke up while boris was still in the garage with them and bit Boris. B made it out but knew his time was running out and locked himself in his house. You encounter Boris while in his house where he has become a stalker, kill him and take his bow. Another revenge tale that turned out to be the end of them.

All told through notes that could be completely missed. I love stuff like that.

On that note there seems to be some plot holes with the timeline of the different stages of infection because if he turned the same time they did then he would not be stalker or they would all be stalkers.

Grumpypants

I like when you find a note with a heartbreaking message of someone who was waiting for a loved one but couldn't wait any longer and had to move on.

They leave this note as a last gasp attempt to leave a breadcrumb for their loved one to maybe follow them.

Then Ellie reads it and stuffs it in her back pack.

Zero-Cool

gimli2112 wrote: »

probably would have been better in the spoiler thread Zero
it was a cool story though

Hence the spoilers..... Unless you saw it a second after i posted as i made s mistake in the tag and fixed it straight away

gimli2112

probably would have been better in the spoiler thread Zero

it was a cool story though

Zero-Cool

I think the notes really fill out the world. Like in Hillcrest, there is a great backstory going on with local archer Boris and the WLF that you learn from his daughters at and other notes scribbled around the place.

Here's the story for those not bothered to read the notes but might be interested in the story. I only found the final note today on my collectibles run and tied the whole thing together like why those runners were locked in a garage and how you get the bow.

Boris was an archer who won many trophies for the sport. His daughter drew a pic of him and said he's the best Hunter of infected. When WLF overthrew Fedra, the local hillcrest community weren't happy with the new rules in place. Boris's daughter was caught doing some anti wlf graffiti and shot to death. Boris decided to rally the community to get revenge but his friends were worried what might happen to them so decided to turn him in. Boris found out about the betrayal, poisoned them to fall asleep and locked them in a spore filled garage. One of his friends woke up while boris was still in the garage with them and bit Boris. B made it out but knew his time was running out and locked himself in his house. You encounter Boris while in his house where he has become a stalker, kill him and take his bow. Another revenge tale that turned out to be the end of them.

All told through notes that could be completely missed. I love stuff like that.

The Phantom Pain

Phew, that's the platinum done. It's been a journey.
As far as platinums go it's fairly easy but the dread of replaying some of the more stressful parts was a challenge in itself.
Now time to play more uplifting games lol. This one really took a toll on me emotionally. I suppose it speaks to what a game this really is. It's not perfect, no but it's still very well done. A shame about some of the incel toxicity around it.

J. Marston

I don't mind audio logs as much. At least there's a voice actor and they're trying to convey some emotion.

Text logs are the drizzling shíts though. Finding another "I'm not gonna make it...." letter 20 hours into this is making my eyes roll.

Zero-Cool

Notes are awesome.

https://twitter.com/Grosstastic/status/1274814103974891520?s=19

Jordan 199

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

Also: dump the endless scribbled notes. There are so many of them it becomes farcical.

The artifacts. Some very sad scribbled notes out there. Best one I found was a FEDRA poster with the four stages of the infected. Would love to get that printed on a t-shirt.

johnny_ultimate

System Shock was also several decades ago. Things have moved on, you’d hope!

Outer Wilds it (mostly) makes sense that you’re doing lots of reading because they tend to be dedicated research labs and the like you discover. But again lots of the exploration in that game is based around interpreting messages on your own and following the clues. That’s great! Being just told a bunch of stories is less so.

Retr0gamer

Actually find notes, audio logs and lore dumps really detrimental to a lot of games. I mean in System Shock they made sense as you had a bunch of researchers documenting their experiences but outside of that it really takes me out of the game with how silly they are.

Unless I'm playing a '0451' immersive sim I end up ignoring the majority of them as I find they add nothing and it's much better letting my mind fill in the gaps.

Retr0gamer

I heard in there's a lab in Wuhan where all researchers are only allowed to communicate in intricate diary entries and audio logs.

johnny_ultimate

Indeed, simple as those environmental puzzles are they do involve some active engagement with the world.

A couple of those spread out across the game would work pretty well! But when there’s a safe to unlock every hour or so, and three quarters of the codes are explicitly written down for you... that’s when the tedium sets in. No wonder many have taken to trying to crack the safe codes using the sound hints, as that’s more engaging.

On that note, I’m increasingly of the opinion that the whole outbreak in TLOU’s world must have begun because a dangerous lab sample was foolishly left in an hilariously easily crackable safe. That’s the story I’ve made up and I’m sticking to it

Penn

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

I even think the ‘useful’ notes are an issue, as there are SO MANY people who decided to write down a safe code before meeting their maker. I mean, if I can figure it out by just listening to the clicks, surely their mates can too :pac:

It’s a consequence of the game being so long, arguably, but there are so many tragic notes beside a skeleton that it begins to feel repetitive and clunky. I mean, there are only so many ways you can say ‘this guy died here in a desperate situation’, and all these past tragedies blend into each other quickly. It’s kinda just bad storytelling too? Sometimes the past situations you stumble across are best left to the imagination - let a tragically placed gun or locked door imply, rather than a detailed note scribbled down overtly explaining what happened. I think our understanding of environmental storytelling is now strong enough that we don’t need letters or - their sci-fi equivalent - audio logs to tell us every single detail.

Agreed, I liked the notes which gave a hint to how to find the safe code in the environment rather than just saying them. They were still simple enough to figure out, but helped break up the monotomy of just scavenging through presses and bedside lockers.

johnny_ultimate

I even think the ‘useful’ notes are an issue, as there are SO MANY people who decided to write down a safe code before meeting their maker. I mean, if I can figure it out by just listening to the clicks, surely their mates can too :pac:

It’s a consequence of the game being so long, arguably, but there are so many tragic notes beside a skeleton that it begins to feel repetitive and clunky. I mean, there are only so many ways you can say ‘this guy died here in a desperate situation’, and all these past tragedies blend into each other quickly. It’s kinda just bad storytelling too? Sometimes the past situations you stumble across are best left to the imagination - let a tragically placed gun or locked door imply, rather than a detailed note scribbled down overtly explaining what happened. I think our understanding of environmental storytelling is now strong enough that we don’t need letters or - their sci-fi equivalent - audio logs to tell us every single detail.

Penn

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

This game would be notably better with collectibles removed. Keep the pills, weapon slings etc... but dump the coins and cards. Exploration would immediately become a tonne more rewarding IMO. They at least try to link them to character traits here, but still hurts the pacing when the game pushes you to explore nooks and crannies for gear and supplies just to give you another bloody coin.

Also: dump the endless scribbled notes. There are so many of them it becomes farcical.

Yeah some of the notes are good, especially ones which explain something you might come across (location of code/safe/weapons, or even one I remember about a bunch of infected locked in a garage etc). But there are so many of them, especially just back and forth ones between two people that just become an annoyance after a while. End up quickly scrolling through just to see if there's any useful information. Some are just flyers for a band and stuff as well... get ta f*ck!

Coins and cards are also ridiculously hard to spot most of the time, and again too many of them.

johnny_ultimate

This game would be notably better with collectibles removed. Keep the pills, weapon slings etc... but dump the coins and cards. Exploration would immediately become a tonne more rewarding IMO. They at least try to link them to character traits here, but still hurts the pacing when the game pushes you to explore nooks and crannies for gear and supplies just to give you another bloody coin.

Also: dump the endless scribbled notes. There are so many of them it becomes farcical.