How will schools be able to go back in September?

good points on boh sides

khalessi wrote: »

Crikey theyre fierce confusing

Very . ! Interesting debate going on now on RTE News Now

iamwhoiam wrote: »

I see now on RTE NEWS now that the Parents council have no said that the majority of parents want a full return to school

Crikey theyre fierce confusing

I see now on RTE NEWS now that the Parents council have no said that the majority of parents want a full return to school

Dickie10

seems in secondary schools that the easiest plan would be to add in an extra class in most years. o instead of 4 first year classes make it 5 , instead of 28 per class drop it to 18.this is what it should be for class sizes anyway. now the thing is the department will have to come up and start offereing schools more hours to recruit more teachers to cover extra classes in the timetable. now the problem is , are thise teachers available or are they on the ground?

Murple

harr wrote: »

Our local school is currently in a panic to get hot water installed before September, that’s the Reality in rural schools , all desks will need to be replaced as currently using desks that sit four kids so they need to be changed .. some of our class rooms are only accessible through other class rooms , our class room used for extra learning is no bigger than a large wardrobe.
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It's not just rural schools I can assure you!

wirelessdude01

Higgins5473 wrote: »

I am a qualified primary school teacher since 2001, and have been on BOM and held an AP1 position, I doubt you know what that is, pm me and I will give you a screen grab of my TC registration. I set up an ed tech company providing workshops and support employing 4 staff in 2010 when things were very tough in the country and worked hard to build it. I was about to take on more staff until March. I paid staff until I could, they're gone and the company has entered voluntary strike off. I now have a case taken against me by the landlord of unit we had for breaking the lease.

Go through my post history, I don't mention it here but did speak about it back in March/April when I realised what was about to happen.

I will be returning to subbing in Sept hopefully as I am trying to get back on my feet.

You sound like you really have your finger on the pulse.

More so than you it seems when it comes to an actual real classroom!!!

Just listened and the biggest issue seems to be social distancing. Surely wearing face covering in class would solve this. Not mentioned or suggested once and yet an ad promoting face covers in the break

s1ippy

Do a poll here

KaneToad wrote: »

So, a non-scientific, non-representative poll. Not the best for setting policy...

NPC & INTO on RTE radio now...

Am listening!

KaneToad

Sammy2012 wrote: »

They had a 24hour survey last week!

So, a non-scientific, non-representative poll. Not the best for setting policy...

NPC & INTO on RTE radio now...

brighterspark

As a secondary teacher I will happily wear a visor/mask. Common sense is now needed - our kids will be in close contact with each other all summer long and will not have suffered because of it. They need their education and parents need to work - we have to accept some risk and no parent or teacher wants blended learning - it is a poor substitute.

Sammy2012 wrote: »

Do u work in SET? I'm due to move there next year and am not sure how it will work?

Yep, there was suggestion to teach at the back of the room, but that could be difficult. I would prefer to use my room and clean area between groups as i have more than one class at every level.

khalessi wrote: »

I think the "each class is a bubble" approach is the way we are going but I mentioned that last week on here somewhere. It will be hard to work as already my job has me potentially in 4 bubbles, which I will be happy to do as long as i can wear a mask. I will do that anyway

Do u work in SET? I'm due to move there next year and am not sure how it will work?

iamwhoiam wrote: »

For primary schools, it points to two possible approaches.

In a traditional classroom with standard desks, it would mean a distance of one metre between students, and the alternative is to maintain separate 'pods' - a small number of pupils working within groups.

While one pod would maintain a distance of one metre from another pod, there would be no requirement for minimum distance between individual pupils in a pod.

A 'pod' refers to a small group within a class, but it also recommended that classes themselves be regarded as 'bubbles', which stay apart from other classes as much as possible.

This is from the Independent today

I think the "each class is a bubble" approach is the way we are going but I mentioned that last week on here somewhere. It will be hard to work as already my job has me potentially in 4 bubbles, which I will be happy to do as long as i can wear a mask. I will do that anyway

For primary schools, it points to two possible approaches.

In a traditional classroom with standard desks, it would mean a distance of one metre between students, and the alternative is to maintain separate 'pods' - a small number of pupils working within groups.

While one pod would maintain a distance of one metre from another pod, there would be no requirement for minimum distance between individual pupils in a pod.

A 'pod' refers to a small group within a class, but it also recommended that classes themselves be regarded as 'bubbles', which stay apart from other classes as much as possible.

This is from the Independent today

lulublue22 wrote: »

Same here - blended learning seems to be the least favoured option. No idea where they get these “opinions” from. Though from a dep perspective its very handy - when it goes tits up and it will then it will be those lazy ass teachers and the over zealous unions who will bear full responsibility in the public mind. Honestly getting heartily sick of being scapegoated.

Hoping it will be back as close to normal in Sep as possible with added precautions such as face coverings / masks

Agreed. Blended learning would be too much pressure and the technology is not there to teach while having a zoom group watching.

lulublue22

History Queen wrote: »

I'm the same. Any colleagues I've spoken to want to go back to school in as close to normal a fashion as possible albeit with extra precautions for safety. Hardly unreasonable.

Same here - blended learning seems to be the least favoured option. No idea where they get these “opinions” from. Though from a dep perspective its very handy - when it goes tits up and it will then it will be those lazy ass teachers and the over zealous unions who will bear full responsibility in the public mind. Honestly getting heartily sick of being scapegoated.

Hoping it will be back as close to normal in Sep as possible with added precautions such as face coverings / masks

I reading about “ pods” if the one metre is not workable . I read it in The Independent mind you not on any official site
The children above 2 class could be in pods of 4-6 and they can be closer to each other . Each pod must stay one metre from another pod .
Its two whole months until September so lots could change in the meantime but better to be ready and everything in place than a rush in September

I have no idea where the PC got the notion that parents want blended learning . Not a single parent or indeed teacher I know wants it .

On an aside , the Government opened up all employment etc without a thought in the world given to who would mind the children
In my own family and circle of friends grandparents are now minding children because there is no other choice . In my own estate many grandparents are minding two or three children
Some , not all , were cocooning until they simply had no alternative .
Healthcare workers were also let down badly over childcare and it is an absolute scandal how they were treated

The Do E has got to get their act together to support children in this vital decision now

khalessi wrote: »

I think there was a survey put out a few weeks ago maybe APril

I wonder how the questoons were phrased. I'm very surprised parents or teachers are looking for blended learning as it's not reflective of the wishes of anyone I know or anything I'veread online. Saying that maybe I just have a very narrow viewpoint.

khalessi wrote: »

I think there was a survey put out a few weeks ago maybe APril

They had a 24hour survey last week!

History Queen wrote: »

Exactly, where are they getting their information from? Did they survey people?

I think there was a survey put out a few weeks ago maybe APril

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

Nobody wants blended learning, not parents, not teachers, not teachers who are also parents.

I don't know why the NPC would lobby for that or what the motive would be for it.

Exactly, where are they getting their information from? Did they survey people?

harr

Blended learning definitely won’t work for a lot of people,I for one really struggle with home learning One of my kids has additional needs and the other gets extra support in school and trying to manage home school was a nightmare and mostly ended in rows .. I just don’t have the capability to home school my kids.
Our local school is currently in a panic to get hot water installed before September, that’s the Reality in rural schools , all desks will need to be replaced as currently using desks that sit four kids so they need to be changed .. some of our class rooms are only accessible through other class rooms , our class room used for extra learning is no bigger than a large wardrobe.
All well and good department of education setting down rules but now the lack of investment in schools will really start to show .

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History Queen wrote: »

I'm the same. Any colleagues I've spoken to want to go back to school in as close to normal a fashion as possible albeit with extra precautions for safety. Hardly unreasonable.

Nobody wants blended learning, not parents, not teachers, not teachers who are also parents.

I don't know why the NPC would lobby for that or what the motive would be for it.

History Queen wrote: »

I'm the same. Any colleagues I've spoken to want to go back to school in as close to normal a fashion as possible albeit with extra precautions for safety. Hardly unreasonable.

Extra precautions are necessary so masks or visors should be recommended.

Sammy2012 wrote: »

I just heard on the news that the NPC are going to talk to the Oireachtas today that parents and teachers want blended learning.

As a parent and a teacher I've no idea where they are getting these facts from because I don't know of anyone who wants this. I want to go back to school full time and I want my kids to go back full time. Altho both will fall into the Junior Infant to 2nd class rules so should be.

I'm the same. Any colleagues I've spoken to want to go back to school in as close to normal a fashion as possible albeit with extra precautions for safety. Hardly unreasonable.

I just heard on the news that the NPC are going to talk to the Oireachtas today that parents and teachers want blended learning.

As a parent and a teacher I've no idea where they are getting these facts from because I don't know of anyone who wants this. I want to go back to school full time and I want my kids to go back full time. Altho both will fall into the Junior Infant to 2nd class rules so should be.