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How many people on Boards have a mask and if so are you wearing them for essential trips? And this late in the day where can you get one that is going to be half decent and not from a suspect seller who could have done anything to it?

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Beasty

tonysopprano wrote: »

Masks are ONLY recommended for SYMPTOMATIC people to stop spread

NOT recommended for ASYMPTOMATIC as leads to FALSE SENSE of security and leads to MORE SPREAD

Recommended/not recommended by who? You??

Think I prefer to pay attention to people who are experts in the field

Professor Moriarty

Bacteria are typically 100 times larger than viruses.

tonysopprano

Beasty wrote: »

Recommended/not recommended by who? You??

Think I prefer to pay attention to people who are experts in the field

Feel free to bring your experts to the fore

khalessi

tonysopprano wrote: »

Agreed,

For SYSTOMATIC people,

NOW fOR EVERYONE ELSE

multiple touching, adjusting, pushing above/below the nose, taking on/off between shops, not washing between use, put in car for next time, THINKING YOU ARE INVINCIBLE

Thank you for shouting.

Most people at this stage are educated enough to wear masks and not touch them, my kids can manage it no bother. It isnt rocket science.

And the reason everyone should wear one in enclosed spaes, is to protect themselves and each other as as asymptomatic people are more dangerous s they can spread the illness without knowing.

Beasty

tonysopprano wrote: »

Feel free to bring your experts to the fore

Fauci

And you seem to accept you have nothing but your own opinion to back up your position

tonysopprano

khalessi wrote: »

Thank you for shouting.

Most people at this stage are educated enough to wear masks and not touch them, my kids can manage it no bother. It isnt rocket science.

And the reason everyone should wear one in enclosed spaes, is to protect themselves and each other as as asymptomatic people are more dangerous s they can spread the illness without knowing.

Feel free to research the videos of Fauci et al making their statements while touching their masks.

Ask your kids how many boggers they have eaten, even ask what you have eaten?

There are LOTS of things that "should have been used in enclosed spaces" but there you have it

Seanergy

tonysopprano wrote: »

3ply does not make them surgical.

Qualifications for masks depend on what they stop.

Example N95 stop 95%

Cotton/Kitchenroll/toiletroll etc stop NOTHING

khalessi wrote: »

Cant remember the page but one of the posters put up a graph showed the perentage of spray different masks/ face covering prevented

I couldn't find the post number either K, but maybe Tsop can study this.

Screen-Shot-2020-06-24-at-19.39.51-e1593024253944.png

tonysopprano

Seanergy wrote: »

I couldn't find the post number either K, but maybe Tsop can study this.

Effectiveness against WHAT?

tonysopprano

Are you all that stupid?

khalessi

tonysopprano wrote: »

Are you all that stupid?

No, I think you are alone there but good luck reading thread and educating yourself.

tonysopprano

khalessi wrote: »

No, I think you are alone there but good luck reading thread and educating yourself.

For now, maybe, but masks only now be in the news, but remember said line.

Mrs OBumble

Everything reputable that I've read about face-masks (either cloth or disposable) says that they stop working if they become wet, so should be changed.

We're now told it's mandatory to wear them on public transport. Many people say that if people at the stop aren't wearing masks, the driver should drive on by.

But to get to the public transport, most of us have to walk to the bus-stop etc in the rain (Yeah, it doesn't rain every day. But today it did, and probably the next few days, too.) Do that - and the mask gets wet and so useless.

Today an umbrella worked, because there was very little wind. But that's unusual.

Thoughts? Is this really a no-win?

(For the record: today I stood at the bus stop with a mask in my hands. when the bus turned up, if there were too many people I put it on in the doorway. Still not ideal because it makes boarding slower, and it's hard to keep the mask dry while waiting.)

Peregrinus

Keep the mask in pocket or handbag, and put it on as the bus draws up. No need to wait until you're actually in the doorway. Five or ten seconds of exposure to rain is unlikely to serious impair the efficacy of the mask.

It's not the case that "a wet mask is useless". This isn't a simple binary. The drier the mask, the better it filters. But, remember, your breath is moisture-laden; it's more humid than the atmosphere on even a pretty wet day. So from the moment you put it on the mask gets wetter and wetter. It has to be pretty sodden before it's completely useless (and, to be honest, even then it's not completely useless) and you would likely have changed it before that point.

[Deleted User]

Absolute trainwreck of a performance that was.

sheepsh4gger

weldoninhio wrote: »

What is a "normie"?

Those who can't see, the gray masses watching TV and thinking it's reality.

Jim_Hodge

tonysopprano wrote: »

For now, maybe, but masks only now be in the news, but remember said line.

As coherent as usual.

CalamariFritti

Seanergy wrote: »

Pure BS.

Not sure why I even bother. I guess such an ignorant one liner just p*sses me off.

But actually its not 'pure BS', a strongly worded one liner doesn't change that fact. All the supermarket chains have commented on their infection rates and its next to nothing. Your turn...

is_that_so

Seanergy wrote: »

Pure BS.

Not according to this. You can see the data at the top.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/supermarket-staff-largely-evade-virus-in-ireland-zs2wbb9xr

khalessi

CalamariFritti wrote: »

Not sure why I even bother. I guess such an ignorant one liner just p*sses me off.

But actually its not 'pure BS', a strongly worded one liner doesn't change that fact. All the supermarket chains have commented on their infection rates and its next to nothing. Your turn...

Most of the major shops instigated measures such a social distancing, hand sanitizer at the door, traffic light system at the door for entry, spit screens masks and gloves for workers, limited numbers in store, markings on floor for queueing. All to protect their workers as they had to stay open.

CalamariFritti

McGiver wrote: »

Repeat with me:

R.I.S.K
M.A.N.A.G.E.M.E.N.T

You may need to Google the term. It's a fully rational approach, as opposed to your notion.

Stop your condescending crap. It doesn't make your argument any stronger. Might get you a few thanks but thats about it.

Risk management is the thing that makes a sober assessment of an actual statistical risk. With actual numbers not with some irrational fear based thingy.
A proper risk assessment would not lead to a mask recommendation. Not with the numbers we have. Maybe thats why the aren't made mandatory?

CalamariFritti

khalessi wrote: »

Most of the major shops instigated measures such a social distancing, hand sanitizer at the door, traffic light system at the door for entry, spit screens masks and gloves for workers, limited numbers in store, markings on floor for queueing. All to protect their workers as they had to stay open.

And in most supermarkets that lasted about all of 2 weeks. Then it was back to nearly normal. No queues outside. No bouncers. Staff going on about their business stacking shelves not bothered by the traffic around them. None of them wearing masks, some wearing gloves which they did before COVID in many cases. They were hhandling goods that were handled by customers they were taking cash and cards interacting with customers etc. Hundreds of people coming through them all day every day. And still minuscule infection rates among the staff.

That was practically a real world field test and yet people want to ignore that.

khalessi

CalamariFritti wrote: »

And in most supermarkets that lasted about all of 2 weeks. Then it was back to nearly normal. No queues outside. No bouncers. Staff going on about their business stacking shelves not bothered by the traffic around them. None of them wearing masks, some wearing gloves which they did before COVID in many cases. They were hhandling goods that were handled by customers they were taking cash and cards etc. Hundreds of people coming through them all day every day. And still minuscule infection rates among the staff.

That was practically a real world field test and yet people want to ignore that.

In the last week I have been to tesco aldi lidl the range ikea and all have maintained queueing and the above measures there have been photos fo queues for Decathalon but you believe what you want and my local smaller shops

CalamariFritti

khalessi wrote: »

In the last week I have been to tesco aldi lidl the range ikea and all have maintained queueing and the above measures there have been photos fo queues for Decathalon but you believe what you want and my local smaller shops

Yes people have been keeping their distance and have been generally well behaved in supermarkets. But I don't believe what I 'beleive', I go to supermarkets several times a week and I believe what I see. Staff stopped caring a long time ago. They're just doing their job. And this thread isn't about behaving and queueing and distancing, its about masks. I'm talking about masks and the fact that nothing much happened in supermarkets with very few people being masked up and no staff wearing them.

khalessi

CalamariFritti wrote: »

Yes people have been keeping their distance and have been generally well behaved in supermarkets. But I don't believe what I 'beleive', I go to supermarkets several times a week and I believe what I see. Staff stopped caring a long time ago. They're just doing their job. And this thread isn't about behaving and queueing and distancing, its about masks. I'm talking about masks and the fact that nothing much happened in supermarkets with very few people being masked up and no staff wearing them.

That is their choice, where I am they are still wearing masks, using gloves and spitguards. The pubs have put them in and they only opened this week. I still see people wearing masks going in. There are queues. People are doing what they need to stay safe.

It still does not negate the fact that the argument of supermarket workers not getting it at the height of the virus is because measures were put in place quickly and now it is practically non existant, but measures are still in place and less chance of getting it.

odyssey06

Supermarket is not a valid comparison.
A packed Dublin Bus, LUAS or DART in rush hour with people inches apart for a sustained amount of time bears no comparison to them.
Even pre-covid 19, our sense of personal space in a supermarket would have kept us further apart.

Beasty

Threads merged

Seanergy

CalamariFritti wrote: »

We have been out in the supermarkets for months during the 'height' of the Irish crisis with no supermarket staff getting infected.

Seanergy wrote: »

Pure BS.

CalamariFritti wrote: »

But actually its not 'pure BS', All the supermarket chains have commented on their infection rates and its next to nothing. Your turn...

The fact that you went and changed your data is fact enough that it was BS.

is_that_so wrote: »

Not according to this. You can see the data at the top.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/supermarket-staff-largely-evade-virus-in-ireland-zs2wbb9xr

That is not data and like I said in a previous post that is reckless reporting.

The DOH said no breakdown was available of the jobs of those who had tested positive for the virus outside HCW's and this amazingly enough applies to supernarket's aswell.

That journalist has been contacted and the english times notified.

Zero official data for supermarkets, stop pushing this, back to masks.

is_that_so

Seanergy wrote: »

The fact that you went and changed your data is fact enough that it was BS.

That is not data and like I said in a previous post that is reckless reporting.

The DOH said no breakdown was available of the jobs of those who had tested positive for the virus outside HCW's and this amazingly enough applies to supernarket's aswell.

That journalist has been contacted and the english times notified.

Zero official data for supermarkets, stop pushing this, back to masks.

Eh, the supermarkets themselves gave those numbers. Are you seriously suggesting they didn't know which employees were out sick? I doubt you'd trust "official figures" either if they didn't suit you!

Seanergy

Headline could just aswell read

Supermarket staff largely evade reporting virus in Ireland....move on

CalamariFritti

See thats what I mean. If something doesn't suit some opinions then people just bend it. If supermarkets aren't reporting any infections sure then its because they choose not to report their infections rather than there not being any.

All big supermarket chains have reported minuscule infection numbers. Thats a fact.

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And I didnt change my data, I changed the phrase to make sure no one can come along and say 'ah hey there was 5 cases, thats not nothing'. You tried anyway but it still doesn't make it BS. You're just spouting nonsense to deflect from your non fact based argumentation.

Going by those few exchanges you will not change that tune. I can tell from your 'big man phrases', like BS, 'move on'. Well it won't work with me and others will see it for what it is, too.