cnocbui wrote: » Ireland has had one death per 14.6 cases, Sweden has had one per 12.8 cases. Australia has had one death per 74.6 cases. Do you suppose there is a forum in Australia where there are posters in histrionics about how appalling Ireland's response has been and how shoddy the standard of their health care must be there to be 5.1 times worse than Australia? Sweden is only 10% worse than Ireland, not 510 %.
Z-scores are used to standardize series and enable comparison mortality pattern between different populations or between different time periods.
charlie14 wrote: » Sweden has had 45% more deaths per head of population than Ireland and that percentage still increasing.
cnocbui wrote: » Well in the US they reckon that there are at least 10 more cases for each positive test. That's probably as good an assumption to go with as any. It's not moving the goal posts, it's using an alternative perspective. I'd be more than happy to play the part of a completely deranged Ausie, ranting about how useless and incompetent Ireland's response has been, using any metric you want, such as the common deaths per million of pop. I think the virus can out last our best efforts to extinguish it and that catastrophic economic collapse and mass suffering and even more deaths awaits most countries that pursue that goal. 5 years from now, I think almost all countries will look back and realise they became Sweden.
cnocbui wrote: » Ireland has roughly 8500% more deaths per head of population than Australia. You sure you want to do this?
hi5 wrote: » Swedens economy is set to take a plunge because the rest of the world has stopped buying Volvos, Scannias and Ikea furniture due to their own lockdowns. Not Swedens fault.
cnocbui wrote: » Germany has 3 times the death rate per million that Poland has. The Netherlands has 3 times that of Germany. Belgium has 7 times that of Germany. Sweden has 5 times that of Denmark. Gee, I guess all those neighbouring states have a lot of questions to answer because none of them are close to being the same.
charlie14 wrote: » Why are you running around the world comparing countries that have nothing socially, geographically or culturally in common with Sweden ? Why not post comparisons to those that have ? Their Nordic neighbours for example.
cnocbui wrote: » I did that. Would you care to comment on how there is a significant disparity between Germany and it's immediate neighbours but, we we should only focus on Sweden and assert their failings? This conversation should only be had, five years from now, because it's not over yet, for any country in Europe.
charlie14 wrote: » It is difficult to know lately just what the actual daily deaths from Covid-19 are in Sweden. Last week there were days as far as I recall where there were large numbers on Wordometers but they do not seem to be there now. The overall number is the same, so it looks as if some have been added to days further back.
charlie14 wrote: » I can see your point, but every time I see similar reminds me of the banking crisis. During that period our GDP contracted by 25% and unemployment figures were off the scale. Saving the banks according to Eurostat cost the Irish taxpayer 41 Billion euro and that did not include the 15 Billion from the National Pension Fund.I know many may not see it as I do, but for me the present situation compared to what it cost just to save banks puts it in perspective for me
Ginger n Lemon wrote: » Ah Charles, first you doubt Swedish minister for finance predictions, now Swedish covid figures? Some things never change in this thread
charlie14 wrote: » Sweden`s Covid-19 figures speak for themselves. No matter how some try dressing them up. But knew there was something you had again avoided. Your post just reminded me. The I.M.F. who know a fair bit about Irish economics from direct experience are forecast no difference in GDP between Ireland and Sweden this year and have us performing better than Sweden in 2021. Surprised you missed that. RTE even covered it.
Ginger n Lemon wrote: » Charles our June unemployment is 22.5%. 28% 26% 22.5%. You really gonna keep banging the "Sweden economy doing just as bad as Ireland" drum?
Ginger n Lemon wrote: » Charlie, for the last time 0.04% of Irish population died with covid 0.05% of Swedish population died with covid Seriously :rolleyes:
charlie14 wrote: » Knew there was something else you had avoided on the I.M.F. They are calling Ireland unemployment figures to average out at 12.1% this year, dropping to 7.9% early next year. Covered by RTE as well. On Sweden`s unemployment figures, are those in Sweden not employed because of the pandemic included in their unemployment figures ? There was a post on here who reckons they are not. Reckoned they are classified as being on furlough and as such not included in unemployment figures.
biko wrote: » That's a nice way of attempting to say 1700 have died so far of 5 million, and 5300 have died of 10 million. Is that you Ann Linde?
Ginger n Lemon wrote: » So we are to listen to IMF rather than ministers for finance in each country? Charlie you really are losing it. Also stop tuning in to RTE, they dont even announce age of people dying with covid anymore...
Morrisp wrote: » That means 900 more people died .you put price on lives these people ?
charlie14 wrote: » So the I.M.F`s economic and unemployment forecast, RTE news, Sweden`s Public Health Agency figures of Covid-19 deaths, any comparison to Sweden and it`s Nordic neighbours, Sweden having the 5th highest death toll in Europe, Sweden`s former state epidemiologist who said "herd immunity was a dream with no basis in reality, and any mention of Sweden`s antibody tests results should all be ignored because they contradict anything that doesn`t fit your narrative. Did I miss anything ?
Danno wrote: » Sweden has a FAR higher proportion of elderly than Ireland does. Perfectly plausible for them to have a higher number of this scale.
Ginger n Lemon wrote: » When you said RTE news you lost all credability. Sad case.
Ginger n Lemon wrote: » I gotta repost this again. Damn you really did say RTE news :D:D oh Charles... going from Statista gdp predictions to RTE news. I m almost lost for words.
Ginger n Lemon wrote: » Its not a nice way of saying anything, its called reality.
charlie14 wrote: » Damn. Apologies. I knew there was another internationally highly respected source of data and financial projections that you didn`t want mentioned because their data does not suit your narrative. Anybody else I can add to that lengthy list ?
