faceman wrote: » Tbf it’s not their job to be thinking of economic implications. But you’re right, direct and indirect economic implications are huge and it’s not just tourism.
Beechwoodspark wrote: » Dr Holohan is dead right to advise against non essential travel. He is the expert, he sees all the reports and stats. We are happy to take his opinion over politicians or god save us, randomers on boards.
Plumbthedepths wrote: » We? Speak for yourself. The same guy that was twice asked to resign over his behaviour during the cervical smear scandal. I can of place where his opinion would best be placed.
killbillvol2 wrote: » It's not his job to think about the economy. The clue is in his title. He's a doctor. Everything he says is based on medicine.I can't believe the number of people who can't get it into their thick skulls that a medical professional will give medical advice. The government, on the other hand, can choose to accept, reject or modify his advice. The previous government conveniently hid behind medical advice when it suited them. They were also forced to act at times when the weight of evidence was presented to them. In summary, *Doctor* Holohan is doing his job and decisions on travel need to be made by the government.
Beechwoodspark wrote: » People seem to angry they don’t get their week away in costa Del whatever. I would ask those ppl to sit down tonight and watch the RTÉ documentary on covid 19 in the hospitals. I promise you, it will give you all some perspective.
Plumbthedepths wrote: » I see by your reply you are going to behave on this thread in the same manner as you do on others. I won't be indulging you further.
killbillvol2 wrote: » It's not his job to think about the economy. The clue is in his title. He's a doctor. Everything he says is based on medicine. I can't believe the number of people who can't get it into their thick skulls that a medical professional will give medical advice. The government, on the other hand, can choose to accept, reject or modify his advice. The previous government conveniently hid behind medical advice when it suited them. They were also forced to act at times when the weight of evidence was presented to them. In summary, *Doctor* Holohan is doing his job and decisions on travel need to be made by the government.
ZX7R wrote: » Department of foreign affairs released a statement this afternoon that it is still looking and working on a road map for the resumption of international travel. The department declined to comment on Dr Holohans comments on the matter.
Plumbthedepths wrote: » I suspect the Dr is being advised that there is a government in place that is no longer willing or able to hide behind him. Decisions outside of a medical consideration have to be made.
Communication failures surrounding CervicalCheck and other scandals illustrate how poorly information flows throughout the health system. More than a week after Vicky Phelan brought the cervical cancer issue to public attention, a grossly inefficient HSE is still unable to provide definitive numbers, and in some cases, the names of women, caught up in the fiasco. Much of the loss of public trust which has now come to a head is generated by the repeated failures by Department of Health and the HSE to get the basics of health service provision right. There’s little point in aspirational quality initiatives around “placing the patient at the centre of care” if the reality doesn’t become part of everyday practice. There is a strong sense that the events of the last week have breached a line in the sand as far as the public is concerned. And so they should. We are spending €15 billion a year on a health system that is disjointed and unbalanced. The HSE is a failed entity. And it’s high time that civil servants in the Department of Health fronted up and got their hands dirty in response to our serious national health crisis.
Beechwoodspark wrote: » Please plumb, PLEASE, watch that show tonight. I promise you, it will give you perspective and it’ll make issues such as “will I get over to Santa pintza” completely irelevant. Trust me on this.
Dante7 wrote: » What NPHET are doing here is setting up the ordinary punter to be the fall guy and take the blame for their lack of foresight. International travel is opening up and there are no appropriate procedures in place to deal with it. Their only solution is to cry, "don't travel, stay at home". And when the inevitable cases do arrive, it won't be the families returning from Spain and Greece that bring the cases, it will be the arrivals from Brazil, South Asia, Middle East and Africa who are still only faced with the same wishy washy 14 day self isolation advisory as the family coming from safe zones. If they were serious about reducing the risk from travel they would implement a strict ban from areas that are currently badly hit. They can **** off if they think they are going to guilt trip me into not travelling due to their lack of planning.
Tenzor07 wrote: » True, I find it amazing how some are willing to acquiesce the feelings and opinions of an unelected senior HSE official, they must have very very short memories of the past 10 years of his reign... Cervical smear test scandal, the results of 2nd smear tests not appearing due to an "I.T Glitch", the hospital trolley scandal and every other HSE mess up which all in all has caused death and misery for many thousands of Irish people and their families.. In any other country with an advanced healthcare system and strong democracy someone like Holohan would have been fired or jailed, but like the bankers who caused the collapse of the Irish economy of which we are all still paying for, and are now walking free. Only in Ireland!
Beechwoodspark wrote: » So on issues of whether to travel in a pandemic you would trust the chancers in ivy house over ya know, the actual chief medical officer....?
cryptocurrency wrote: » Anyone know the bed in period before a test can find it. If someone landed on a plane, went straight away and got a test to see if tey picked it up on the plane, will that work? I know they say 4-5 days to show symptoms but will the test pick up the virus before that? Also, anyone had an antibody test? Seem liffymedical do them for 75 euro...do they work well? I don't mind the 75 euro jus to find out if i had it.
bladespin wrote: » This, honestly cannot understand why testing at the airports isn’t a thing! Regardless of how you feel about those travelling it would be a massive help imo.
cryptocurrency wrote: » I've people coming from London end of July. Happy to drive them straight from the Airport for a test to see if they got it on the plane but will that be too fast. Will it show after just a few hours?
Sheep Shagger wrote: » For anyone travelling, are you concerned or do you care that you won't have valid travel insurance (serious question)?
TheDriver wrote: » Nope. Travel insurance covers very little anyways once excess comes into play. Ehic card will suffice.
bladespin wrote: » No idea tbh but it would be a great catch for those already carrying, would at least reduce active mobile cases. I’d be happy to have it done. Have some very outstanding work in the UK and wouldn’t say no to a hol either. Hopefully someone could answer.
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