Is it just me or have SF vanished?

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Voting for or against something is NOT a veto. It's a vote. There is no onus on a Unionist to vote against a UI just as there isn't one on a Republican to vote for a UI either.

The 'principle of consent' is an AGREED clause in the GFA.

You again completely misunderstand what the Unionist Veto was.

Do you mean a clause that says something like this?

"The Irish Government fully accepted and solemnly declared that there could be no change in the status of Northern Ireland until a majority of the people of Northern Ireland desired a change in that status. The British Government solemnly declared that it was, and would remain, their policy to support the wishes of the majority of the people of Northern Ireland. The present status of Northern Ireland is that it is part of the United Kingdom. If in the future the majority of the people of Northern Ireland should indicate a wish to become part of a united Ireland, the British Government would support that wish."

event wrote: »

Are you equating a member of the guards with Bobby Storey??

Yep, they sure are. And not just posters on here, just look at the difference between Mary-Lou's statements on the two deaths.

She barely mentioned the death of the guard, but was effusive in her eulogy of the great Bobby Storey.

event wrote: »

Are you equating a member of the guards with Bobby Storey??

Are you saying different Covid regulations applied because he was a Garda?

For the record, I think both funerals ignored the regulations/advice.

My point is that we have the usual crew on pouring out their outrage for political gain about one but who were silent about the other. As far as I am aware NOBODY complained about last week. Which was ok by me actually.

Edgware

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Apparently he was a Republican with a sense of himself and very 'tolerant' and a kind man.

Basically, your average Republican Jesus figure.

At least he got a funeral more dignified than his M15 pal Scapaticci gave to his victims

event

Are you equating a member of the guards with Bobby Storey??

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Did you hear anyone from SF making complaints or political capital after this sombre occasion last week?

The two occasions seem to have gotten out of hand...difficult things to constrain when the person dead is highly thought of and the death is considered tragic by those bereaved.
Did SF encourage large crowds to turn up? Was any attempt made to observe social distancing?

It should not have been done in that manner either imo. But it does please me that you as a SF supporter are now able to express concern for a Garda - who lost his life in his line of duty.

costacorta wrote: »

Mary the moaner would have a field day if it was any other party . Ferris made a long journey up to his old ira comrade in arms &#55357;&#56836;

Did you hear anyone from SF making complaints or political capital after this sombre occasion last week?

The two occasions seem to have gotten out of hand...difficult things to constrain when the person dead is highly thought of and the death is considered tragic by those bereaved.
Did SF encourage large crowds to turn up? Was any attempt made to observe social distancing?

maccored wrote: »

that looks like two people having a polite conversation

Why are Gerry's arms folded? Why the defensive posture? Plus Mary Lou is looking at him like a star struck teenager. Caught by the spell.

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

It is not just that, pay close attention to the body language, and facial expressions.

Gerry is still 'The Mon' it screams.

I did, they are having a conversation and Mary Lou is smiling at something Gerry is saying.

maccored wrote: »

same day we'll find out whats behind your SF fascination . I love how the newsletter calls him 'alleged Northern Bank plotter' - hilarious since we know it was the RUC who robbed it (more evidence points to them than anyone)

RUC kidknapped Shergar as well I heard :rolleyes:

Bonniedog wrote: »

You are an illiterate clown.

They have a veto on a united Ireland as long as that requires a majority - as it does under the GFA - within the six counties. That was whole point of partition.

That is the fkn veto! It is a veto on Irish unity being decided upon by ALL the people of Ireland.

Do you even have the vaguest knowledge of Irish history that you don't see how this is in total contradiction to the republican view sustained since 1918?

Voting for or against something is NOT a veto. It's a vote. There is no onus on a Unionist to vote against a UI just as there isn't one on a Republican to vote for a UI either.

The 'principle of consent' is an AGREED clause in the GFA.

You again completely misunderstand what the Unionist Veto was.

blanch152 wrote: »

What is interesting about the funeral is that everyone who is everyone in Sinn Fein is there (and is in breach of social distancing) but not a single representative from anywhere else is at the funeral. That tells you all you need to know about how Bobby Storey was regarded outside of the hardmen in the IRA.

Apparently he was a Republican with a sense of himself and very 'tolerant' and a kind man.

Basically, your average Republican Jesus figure.

maccored

blanch152 wrote: »

What is interesting about the funeral is that everyone who is everyone in Sinn Fein is there (and is in breach of social distancing) but not a single representative from anywhere else is at the funeral. That tells you all you need to know about how Bobby Storey was regarded outside of the hardmen in the IRA.

same day we'll find out whats behind your SF fascination . I love how the newsletter calls him 'alleged Northern Bank plotter' - hilarious since we know it was the RUC who robbed it (more evidence points to them than anyone)

maccored

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I find the body language interesting in the photo. The way Mary Lou is in submissive mode to Gerry Adams smiling up at him. He on the other hand is looking every bit the commander - arms folded.
Would make a good caption competition. Very clear who is boss, even if you did not know them from Adam(s).

that looks like two people having a polite conversation

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

It is not just that, pay close attention to the body language, and facial expressions.

Gerry is still 'The Mon' it screams.

What is interesting about the funeral is that everyone who is everyone in Sinn Fein is there (and is in breach of social distancing) but not a single representative from anywhere else is at the funeral. That tells you all you need to know about how Bobby Storey was regarded outside of the hardmen in the IRA.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Don't smaller people generally have to 'look up' to taller people...not much point looking at his chest.

Stretching things a bit there GDG

It is not just that, pay close attention to the body language, and facial expressions.

Gerry is still 'The Mon' it screams.

Tokyo

Mod: @Bonniedog - take some time off - 48 hours.

Bonniedog

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Good lord, even when it is spelt out in black and white you still won't accept you are wrong. The Unionists DO NOT have a veto on a UI if a majority vote for it. READ the GFA.

You are an illiterate clown.

They have a veto on a united Ireland as long as that requires a majority - as it does under the GFA - within the six counties. That was whole point of partition.

That is the fkn veto! It is a veto on Irish unity being decided upon by ALL the people of Ireland.

Do you even have the vaguest knowledge of Irish history that you don't see how this is in total contradiction to the republican view sustained since 1918?

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I find the body language interesting in the photo the way Mary Lou is in submissive mode to Gerry Adams smiling up at him. He on the other hand is looking every bit the commander arms folded.
Would make a good caption competition. Very clear who is boss, even if you did not know them from Adam(s).

Don't smaller people generally have to 'look up' to taller people...not much point looking at his chest.

Stretching things a bit there GDG

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

A lot of the SF ‘top brass’ in that photo. Some of them mightn’t be household names though....

I find the body language interesting in the photo. The way Mary Lou is in submissive mode to Gerry Adams smiling up at him. He on the other hand is looking every bit the commander - arms folded.
Would make a good caption competition. Very clear who is boss, even if you did not know them from Adam(s).

costacorta

blanch152 wrote: »

Some people believe that the rules don't apply to them.

Mary the moaner would have a field day if it was any other party . Ferris made a long journey up to his old ira comrade in arms ðŸ˜„

landofthetree wrote: »

The scum breaking the C19 rules as per usual.
https://www.rte.ie/amp/1150536/

Some people believe that the rules don't apply to them.

maccored wrote: »

I think it was pointed out why back in this threads infancy that SF hadn't vanished at all

In fairness to SF there are some good wheelers and dealers in the party. They play by thier 'own rules' and have thier long term strategy off pat. If it 'aint broke why fix it?' is probably the way they look at it.

maccored

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I don't think SF has just vanished. I think SF as being varnished while vanished.

I think it was pointed out why back in this threads infancy that SF hadn't vanished at all

I don't think SF has just vanished. I think SF as being varnished while vanished. I believe SF will now be seen by some as a much better player than they actually are when left out of the first team. Think of recent soccer players Andy Reid and Wes Hoolahan. Going to those Republican funerals and Mary Lou calling the dead man 'a great republican' hardly helps them bring in new voters though - so I don't get that.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0621/1148763-bobby-storey/

Plus the irony is not lost on me that there appears to be no social distancing and Bobby Storey died of a failed lung transplant. So I assume he had respiratory problems?

Bonniedog wrote: »

SF are partitionists. They accepted partition in 1998 and now they administer it.

The unionist veto is about blocking Irish unity.

Good lord, even when it is spelt out in black and white you still won't accept you are wrong. The Unionists DO NOT have a veto on a UI if a majority vote for it. READ the GFA.

Bonniedog

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

A lot of the SF ‘top brass’ in that photo. Some of them mightn’t be household names though....

Including the current head of the Stormont milice

JohnnyFlash

A lot of the SF ‘top brass’ in that photo. Some of them mightn’t be household names though....

Bonniedog

FrancieBrady wrote: »

We all know at this stage that partitionists probably preferred the pre conflict/war arrangements in northern Ireland. They seem to have the view that nationalists should have lain down and accepted their lot until the British got around to being democrats.

SF are partitionists. They accepted partition in 1998 and now they administer it.

The unionist veto is about blocking Irish unity.

The fact that it is now used to refer to the veto both tribes have through blocking certain things in Stormont is nothing to do what the veto was and is about:

A majority in the artificially created north eastern state was allowed veto the democratic decision of the majority of the Irish people, and is still allowed hold what is in effect a double veto:
Firstly, that there is no provision under GFA for a democratic all Ireland vote on unity, and;

Secondly, that a decision within 6 counties requires a majority consent, which is and will remain for the foreseeable future a unionist majority - including a not insignificant pro union support among Catholics, even if they ever do succeed in out breeding "them uns."

Thats what the shinners accepted and administer.