Masks

sheepsh4gger wrote: »

It protects your eyes where as a half-mask doesn't.

The first wave is still in progress. The second wave in October will be probably the worst.

I still can't believe they opened theaters and cinemas.

Can you get this weekends Euromillions numbers on that crystal ball??

sheepsh4gger wrote: »

It protects your eyes where as a half-mask doesn't.

The first wave is still in progress. The second wave in October will be probably the worst.

I still can't believe they opened theaters and cinemas.

I got ridiculed yesterday for saying I wear a hat with a shield. Called a WUM because of it.

Nobody should care what they wear for protection and nobody should be made fun off either.

Seanergy

Encouraged to wear this week, fined next week, and we are off. link

Anne Graham, chief-executive of the NTA told Newstalk Breakfast that members of the public would be 'encouraged' to wear face masks this week as the country enters Phase Three of lockdown restrictions.

However she insisted that as of next week, the NTA will be enforcing the new regulation of mandatory masks on buses and trains etc and will be handing out fines to those who aren't adhering to the rules.

Seanergy wrote: »

Encouraged to wear this week, fined next week, and we are off. link

Anne Graham, chief-executive of the NTA told Newstalk Breakfast that members of the public would be 'encouraged' to wear face masks this week as the country enters Phase Three of lockdown restrictions.

However she insisted that as of next week, the NTA will be enforcing the new regulation of mandatory masks on buses and trains etc and will be handing out fines to those who aren't adhering to the rules.

Good, if they can afford to be a d!ckhead by not wearing masks, they can afford fines.

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Away With The Fairies wrote: »

I got ridiculed yesterday for saying I wear a hat with a shield. Called a WUM because of it.

Nobody should care what they wear for protection and nobody should be made fun off either.

What the Hell is a WUM?

[Deleted User] wrote: »

What the Hell is a WUM?

Wind up merchant. A term that is thrown around here on boards for talking a bit a sense.

sheepsh4gger

weldoninhio wrote: »

Can you get this weekends Euromillions numbers on that crystal ball??

I can read charts from 1918-1919. There are many parallels. The second wave was much more deadly than the first.

sheepsh4gger wrote: »

I can read charts from 1918-1919. There are many parallels. The second wave was much more deadly than the first.

THIS. IS. NOT. A. FLU.

Completely different diseases.

Wibbs

weldoninhio wrote: »

THIS. IS. NOT. A. FLU.

Completely different diseases.

Indeed. This second wave whether it comes along or not will have pretty nothing to do with the type of virus(flu with much higher mutation rates) and the circumstances(World War 1) around the 1918 pandemic. That pandemic is an extremely inaccurate model to run predictions on Covid19, even bad influenza outbreaks. It seems to have caught the mood of the public and many scientists though.

What second wave that will kick off with Covid19 will likely come from a small infected reservoir in the population that keeps it active until the usual winter cold and flu season where it could spread more easily and undercover than it could in summer months. That said keeping social distancing, hand washing and hopefully and finally more mask wearing in indoor public spaces should reduce the annual cold and flu season anyway and take the sting out of whatever Covid19 is in the mix.

cnocbui

sheepsh4gger wrote: »

By the way the doctors in Wuhan were getting sick via the eyes so you should wear eye protection if you talk to people.

How many?

cnocbui

sheepsh4gger wrote: »

The filters need to be rated for viruses. It has to do with particle size. Industrial masks are the best choice for civilians. You can get a mask meant for say construction workers.

No, the filters need to be rated for the size of vapour droplets people generally exhale as the virus is in the droplets.

ShyMets

cnocbui wrote: »

How many?

It is possible to contract the virus through your eyes. For example if your hands were contaminated with the Virus and you rubbed your eyes with them there is a chance you could become infected.

If someone wants to wear goggles or a face shield, then fine. Personally I find it a little over the top, so I'll stick to a face mask.

ShyMets wrote: »

It is possible to contract the virus through your eyes. For example if your hands were contaminated with the Virus and you rubbed your eyes with them there is a chance you could become infected.

If someone wants to wear goggles or a face shield, then fine. Personally I find it a little over the top, so I'll stick to a face mask.

If you can pick it up on your hands and rub it in, you can also pick it up by the invisible cloud left behind after someone coughing, sneezing, talking.

Dublin bus are complicit in facilitating the spread of Covid 19 by not enforcing rules that people should wear masks on the bus.

Dublin bus drivers aren't enforcing mandatory wearing of masks. Those of us that do wear masks, what recourse do we have? What's the point in only minority of us are wearing masks? Do people not realise that wearing masks is not for the wearer's protection but for the people around them? Wearing a mask is to prevent you from spreading it to others, not from you catching it. So what's the point if only 5 people might be on a bus wearing masks?

And to those of you that don't wear masks. Don't be so selfish. Wearing masks reduces the probability of spreading viral infections be it for a cold or Covid 19 in the spread of viruses.

Please, I invite any of you take a trip on any Dublin bus and see how relaxed 20+ people are on a bus, an enclosed area.

Dublin Bus should be ashamed they aren't enforcing this now. It says in the article below they'll be enforcing it in a week or two? What? After most people go back to work?

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/q-a-everything-you-need-to-know-about-mandatory-face-masks-1.4288339

Mod: merged.

For something that is of very limited benefit and certainly not required right now when there is negligible community transmission, it is not important. If the virus began spreading again then they should be mandatory.

whiskeyman

Less than half wearing face covering on the dart.
Even though it's apparently mandatory, Irish rail have responded on Twitter that the legislation hasn't actually come into force yet so they can't enforce it, bit can only still inform and remind passengers.

is_that_so

Turquoise Hexagon Sun wrote: »

Dublin bus are complicit in facilitating the spread of Covid 19 by not enforcing rules that people should wear masks on the bus.

Dublin bus drivers aren't enforcing mandatory wearing of masks. Those of us that do wear masks, what recourse do we have? What's the point in only minority of us are wearing masks? Do people not realise that wearing masks is not for the wearer's protection but for the people around them? Wearing a mask is to prevent you from spreading it to others, not from you catching it. So what's the point if only 5 people might be on a bus wearing masks?

And to those of you that don't wear masks. Don't be so selfish. Wearing masks reduces the probability of spreading viral infections be it for a cold or Covid 19 in the spread of viruses.

Please, I invite any of you take a trip on any Dublin bus and see how relaxed 20+ people are on a bus, an enclosed area.

Dublin Bus should be ashamed they aren't enforcing this now. It says in the article below they'll be enforcing it in a week or two? What? After most people go back to work?

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/q-a-everything-you-need-to-know-about-mandatory-face-masks-1.4288339

Mod: merged.

It's not legislation, it's regulations for it and we don't have them yet.

Assetbacked wrote: »

For something that is of very limited benefit and certainly not required right now when there is negligible community transmission, it is not important. If the virus began spreading again then they should be mandatory.

Do you even take the bus regularly or have you just a strong opinion on it when it doesn't really affect you?

The bus is a hot bed not just to pick up Covid 19 but flu, colds. I had to take a busy corss-city bus route every morning and evening for a long journey to work. I was eating healthily, taking care of myself and I got sick 4 times in one year. All colds, chesty coughs.

I attribute it to many people in general who don't cover their mouths when they cough and sneeze.

You know up to how many viruses are released in one single cough?

20,000. Yes. 20,000.

I reckon wearing a mask on the bus would save 1000's of people getting cold and flu every year because slobby people don't even bother to cover themselves when they sneeze.

So, next time someone you don't know coughs, I want you think about the potential 20,000 viruses they are sharing with you. And enjoy that. :pac:

polesheep

Turquoise Hexagon Sun wrote: »

Do you even take the bus regularly or have you just a strong opinion on it when it doesn't really affect you?

The bus is a hot bed not just to pick up Covid 19 but flu, colds. I had to take a busy corss-city bus route every morning and evening for a long journey to work. I was eating healthily, taking care of myself and I got sick 4 times in one year. All colds, chesty coughs.

I attribute it to many people in general who don't cover their mouths when they cough and sneeze.

You know up to how many viruses are released in one single cough?

20,000. Yes. 20,000.

I reckon wearing a mask on the bus would save 1000's of people getting cold and flu every year because slobby people don't even bother to cover themselves when they sneeze.

So, next time someone you don't know coughs, I want you think about the potential 20,000 viruses they are sharing with you. And enjoy that. :pac:

I think people who want to see mask wearing on public transport as a general rule should be up front about it.

Turquoise Hexagon Sun wrote: »

Do you even take the bus regularly or have you just a strong opinion on it when it doesn't really affect you?

The bus is a hot bed not just to pick up Covid 19 but flu, colds. I had to take a busy corss-city bus route every morning and evening for a long journey to work. I was eating healthily, taking care of myself and I got sick 4 times in one year. All colds, chesty coughs.

I attribute it to many people in general who don't cover their mouths when they cough and sneeze.

You know up to how many viruses are released in one single cough?

20,000. Yes. 20,000.

I reckon wearing a mask on the bus would save 1000's of people getting cold and flu every year because slobby people don't even bother to cover themselves when they sneeze.

So, next time someone you don't know coughs, I want you think about the potential 20,000 viruses they are sharing with you. And enjoy that. :pac:

I get 4 buses a day getting to and from work and have done for the past 5 years, it was 2 buses a day for the 7 years previous. It’s extremely rare that I’m ill.

Turquoise Hexagon Sun wrote: »

Do you even take the bus regularly or have you just a strong opinion on it when it doesn't really affect you?

The bus is a hot bed not just to pick up Covid 19 but flu, colds. I had to take a busy corss-city bus route every morning and evening for a long journey to work. I was eating healthily, taking care of myself and I got sick 4 times in one year. All colds, chesty coughs.

I attribute it to many people in general who don't cover their mouths when they cough and sneeze.

You know up to how many viruses are released in one single cough?

20,000. Yes. 20,000.

I reckon wearing a mask on the bus would save 1000's of people getting cold and flu every year because slobby people don't even bother to cover themselves when they sneeze.

So, next time someone you don't know coughs, I want you think about the potential 20,000 viruses they are sharing with you. And enjoy that. :pac:

With this hysterical attitude I'm surprised you step outside the front door of your house in the morning.

Assetbacked wrote: »

With this hysterical attitude I'm surprised you step outside the front door of your house in the morning.

All that stress probably contributes to his weak immune system.

Ah yes, I've got weak immune system now and I'm hysterical. Yeah, and if you got sick 4 times in a year and your watch people 2 feet away from you coughing their lungs ups and NOT covering their mouths, you would be cool with that too, yeah? it's just me being weak and hysterical.

I Don't normally get sick. Normally go out. Normally party or had done more in the past. The one changing variable was for 9 months I had to take a packed bus and both morning and evening rush hour. 30-40 people in an enclosed space with flu, colds etc. Windows closed with little circulation from on one of the longest bus routes.

None of you contested the link to the article about up to 20,000 viruses being expelled in an average cough. Instead you come back and say I'm hysterical and accuse me of a weak immune system.

Explain to me what exactly is hysterical about a bit of logic and reasoning? Oh, no, please enlighten me with your vague guesses about my health and mental status and ignore the scientific evidence.

Weldoninho's logic is to that because he doesn't get sick when he rode the bus, it's not probable that another person gets sick and if the they do it's because they are weak. Well, lets just close the hospitals a go home, Weldonihno, is OK. I mean why make medicine if some person isn't sick?

Next time you have a miserable flu, I want you to be thankful that it could have easily prevented or the probabilty reduced by someone simply covering their mouth. Mad, hysterical concept, isn't it!?

@polesheep: what are you talking about? Whats your point?

Covid is a mild illness for almost everyone who will contract it, has effectively a 0% death rate among the working age population and even those that are dying "with" it are at the normal age for dying in Ireland. But the main point is that masks can assist with preventing the spread of the virus in some instances but at this stage there is no spread so it is not necessary to wear masks, hence why they have not been made mandatory to date. Your comments are being made generally about viruses so would apply notwithstanding covid19 but equally the same precautions you can take to protect yourself still apply (i.e. wash your hands, don't let someone cough on you etc.).

Seanergy

railer201 wrote: »

It may not be such an uphill battle if there is a second surge and it eventually dawns on people that masks are the last throw of the dice and it's either 'mask it' or 'casket' !

Assetbacked wrote: »

Covid is a mild illness for almost everyone who will contract it, has effectively a 0% death rate among the working age population and even those that are dying "with" it are at the normal age for dying in Ireland. But the main point is that masks can assist with preventing the spread of the virus in some instances but at this stage there is no spread so it is not necessary to wear masks, hence why they have not been made mandatory to date. Your comments are being made generally about viruses so would apply notwithstanding covid19 but equally the same precautions you can take to protect yourself still apply (i.e. wash your hands, don't let someone cough on you etc.).

I don't disagree with any of this.

What I don't like is getting sick from others when they could do courteous things like cover their mouths when they cough.

Also, living month to month on a paycheque and having to pay rent is a reality for many people. Getting sick is not affordable option to many. I've worked in jobs that didn't have to pay us when we were sick.

Time is money. And if everyone took a little bit of responsibility, and care, that would be nice. I'm serious, just look at the amount of people that cough and don't cover next time you are on the bus or especially during the winter. And think of the the potential viruses they are spreading. You and I are breathing that in.

Turquoise Hexagon Sun wrote: »

I don't disagree with any of this.

What I don't like is getting sick from others when they could do courteous things like cover their mouths when they cough.

Also, living month to month on a paycheque and having to pay rent is a reality for many people. Getting sick is not affordable option to many. I've worked in jobs that didn't have to pay us when we were sick.

Time is money. And if everyone took a little bit of responsibility, and care, that would be nice. I'm seriously, just look at the amount of people that cough next time you are on the bus. And think of the the potential viruses they are spreading. You and I are breathing that in.

I don't disagree with you on your points other than making masks mandatory. Personal hygiene is a big factor, like you say, for example not coughing and spluttering on top of someone, not going to work if they are sick.

Another point I'm not sure of is how reusable disposable masks are? So I know in a pharmacy near my home they sell disposable masks for €3 each. But can this same mask be used to travel to and from work for a week or how would it work? Because it would be very expensive to fund a mask habit.

Monokne

I have one and had been wearing it but not so much now. I would not object to them becoming mandatory. I would wear it if I was going to be in close quarters with people and certainly if I went anywhere near public transport.

@Assetbacked: I don't think we should make masks mandatory indefinitely. Dublin Bus said they were making it mandatory. And I agree for the short term.

I suggested that they the masks if made mandatory don't only just prevent covid spread but other colds/flu etc. Like you rightly pointed out. Covid 19, isn't huge threat and people of working age are strong against it.

I just don't want to bring Covid home to my parents who are in a high-risk category. It's not about me, I'm pretty sure I would be OK if I got it.

But I appreciate what you are saying.