is_that_so wrote: » My view all along is that it is a personal responsibility, i.e. you. It is an advisory and people choose to interpret that as they see fit. We really have no control over what other people will do and we pay them no heed in normal times so why bother now.
Away With The Fairies wrote: » I'm off to the shop in the nip because it's not law to wear clothes and when refused I'll just cry about my freedoms and discrimination.
Away With The Fairies wrote: » So not wearing a mask is now seen as discrimination.
is_that_so wrote: » Yeah I see the same thing and I worry about myself, not them. Your two examples were permanent and generally seen as a good thing so they were hard to sell. Mask wearing is temporary.
Tork wrote: » So what? We're in the middle of a pandemic. If they find a vaccine or the infection rates drop right off, we can stop wearing them. The mask message is clearly falling on deaf ears as are the messages about social distancing. I described what I saw yesterday and that was just one outing. People are starting to behave like it's February all over again.
ExMachina1000 wrote: » You would wonder why no legislation was formed and passed making wearing mandatory. Just didn't happen
is_that_so wrote: » It is in legislation under the emergency powers granted for this. It also requires regulations.
jackboy wrote: » Some people cannot wear a mask for health reasons. If one of these are refused entry to a business then yes this could be seen as discrimination.
Tork wrote: » My observations any time I go into a shop suggest that very few people are wearing masks and aren't taking that responsibility.
Arrival wrote: » If you've such a bad health condition that a bit of fabric over your face for 15-30 mins would cause much of an issue you really shouldn't be going near a supermarket or on public transport to avoid this virus as much as possible. I've bad asthma and have no issues wearing one, people are being way too soft and playing up their difficulties to be stubborn and seen to be complaining about something
jackboy wrote: » I’m talking about people who have received medical advice not to wear a mask.
Tork wrote: » My observations any time I go into a shop suggest that very few people are wearing masks and aren't taking that responsibility. Sometimes stronger measures need to be taken. Would people really be going shopping with their bags for life if the shops weren't charging 22c for the single use ones? Would we really have no smoking in pubs?
is_that_so wrote: » Again with the worrying about other people, stay away from them. But it's not February and they understand that. I see people making an effort to observe social distancing all the time. I can't see the mask wearing going much further than the final phase. If it's still policy in September we are doing something wrong.
Away With The Fairies wrote: » The medical advice given would probably be to stay at home.
everlast75 wrote: » How is the argument against having to wear masks any different to the argument against the smoking ban?
Seanergy wrote: » If Doctor's are throwing out medical advice like that, maybe the advice needs to change to okay you physically should nto wear a mask but you are to wear a faceshield, like they do in Singapore.
Tork wrote: » Businesses are unlikely to enforce the rule because it'd be commercial suicide. The leadership on this needs to come from higher up.
Seanergy wrote: » Not much and the the main unseen/unheard lobbiyist's who are anti masks that are at work in the background are probably the same lobbisist's that were against the smoking ban in 2004, the pubs, restaurants and the failte Ireland crowd. Hopefully the transition from public transport to other public spaces where are is shared will not as long as it did for the smoking ban. Smoking ban started in buses and in public buildings in 1988 and only in 2004 did it cover cover public buildings, hospitals, shops, pubs, restaurants, and anywhere people worked.
Away With The Fairies wrote: » I really don't understand, we get up in the morning, we put on clothes. In winter, we wear extra layers. How is a mask so difficult for some people?
seefin wrote: » If there isnt significant uptake in mask wearing, then maybe they should recommend face shields instead- they apparently protect yourself rather than others. Am getting annoyed ,wearing mask to protect the ignorant assholes who invade my space in supermarkets . Why dont they recommend face shields for everyone? Those that dont wear them , its at their own risk
ExMachina1000 wrote: » The smoking ban was legally enforced. There was legislation drafted, debated and passed then sent to the president to sign off on as per the constitution. "Mandatory " masks not so much
ShadowTech wrote: » There's a pretty big difference between a mask and a shirt and trousers. A mask covers our primary form of both verbal and non-verbal communication. A mask is objectively more intrusive than clothing. Furthermore, the meta analysis that was commissioned by the WHO to examine the efficacy of social distancing, eye protection, and masks found that the benefits of mask use by the general public has low confidence intervals (with the exception of the use of N95 masks). Obviously they did recommend using them in some situations but this was more in the mindset of "something is better than nothing" rather than strong confidence of the efficacy. There is also still a lack of consensus on the need for face coverings; Norway's health agency does not recommend them currently as their case numbers are too low to warrant their use (they suggest 200,000 people would have to wear masks consistently to stop one new infection given their low numbers). Our case numbers are pretty similar to theirs. I personally do not want to wear a mask as I find the experience uncomfortable, claustrophobic, and socially alienating. I would be willing to do so if there was strong scientific evidence that this would have a meaningful impact given our situation here, but I will not willingly sign up for more restrictions without strong evidence of efficacy.
