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How many people on Boards have a mask and if so are you wearing them for essential trips? And this late in the day where can you get one that is going to be half decent and not from a suspect seller who could have done anything to it?

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polesheep

Neyite wrote: »

That's only a consideration if you are sexually active

The other day, I hugged my mother for the first time since the beginning of March. That's the first physical contact she's had with a single soul. She cried. I cried. She's cocooned and given up her fairly active retirement to stay safe as she is vulnerable. Covid will surely kill her if she gets it.

Now she's finally allowed out. She can pick the brand of bread or beans she prefers rather than me guessing and getting her the ones she dislikes. She can do her own errands in short safe bursts but she's still very cautious. And she's scared. She's not bothered about dying, but she is scared of being stuck, alone in a hospital with none of her family there at the end.

Even in lockdown you had more freedom than she did. Nobody is asking you to live like she did for the last 5 months. They are just asking that when you are near other people in a closed environment, you wear something to cover your nose and mouth like the rest of us so that we can keep the rates of infections low enough for us ALL to go about our business the way we used to.

You have the right to insist that wearing something over your nose and mouth for a short amount of time somehow enslaves you. I have the right to decide you are a selfish, self centred person for not wearing a mask, and judge you accordingly.

Where have I questioned your rights?

polesheep

JoChervil wrote: »

Ach, I see you are stuck in a rebellious teenage times...

And the prize for non sequiter of the day goes to...

polesheep

Neyite wrote: »

That's only a consideration if you are sexually active

The other day, I hugged my mother for the first time since the beginning of March. That's the first physical contact she's had with a single soul. She cried. I cried. She's cocooned and given up her fairly active retirement to stay safe as she is vulnerable. Covid will surely kill her if she gets it.

Now she's finally allowed out. She can pick the brand of bread or beans she prefers rather than me guessing and getting her the ones she dislikes. She can do her own errands in short safe bursts but she's still very cautious. And she's scared. She's not bothered about dying, but she is scared of being stuck, alone in a hospital with none of her family there at the end.

Even in lockdown you had more freedom than she did. Nobody is asking you to live like she did for the last 5 months. They are just asking that when you are near other people in a closed environment, you wear something to cover your nose and mouth like the rest of us so that we can keep the rates of infections low enough for us ALL to go about our business the way we used to.

You have the right to insist that wearing something over your nose and mouth for a short amount of time somehow enslaves you. I have the right to decide you are a selfish, self centred person for not wearing a mask, and judge you accordingly.

And there is the nub of the issue. Restrict everyone so no single cohort is affected. The reality is that without a vaccine your mother cannot be safe from Covid19 without restrictions applying either to her or to everyone. I don't see why restrictions should continue to apply to everyone. I also don't, for one minute, believe that people like you will be happy to have masks mandatory in just a certain few places. Once they are mandatory in some situations the push will come to have them mandatory everywhere.

ExMachina1000

I wonder will the vaccine also be mandatory?

Away With The Fairies

polesheep wrote: »

And there is the nub of the issue. Restrict everyone so no single cohort is affected. The reality is that without a vaccine your mother cannot be safe from Covid19 without restrictions applying either to her or to everyone. I don't see why restrictions should continue to apply to everyone. I also don't, for one minute, believe that people like you will be happy to have masks mandatory in just a certain few places. Once they are mandatory in some situations the push will come to have them mandatory everywhere.

The poster's mother would be better protected if people stopped with their bull**** and just put a mask on. You're not the only person entitled to a life.

Neyite

polesheep wrote: »

And there is the nub of the issue. Restrict everyone so no single cohort is affected. The reality is that without a vaccine your mother cannot be safe from Covid19 without restrictions applying either to her or to everyone. I don't see why restrictions should continue to apply to everyone. I also don't, for one minute, believe that people like you will be happy to have masks mandatory in just a certain few places. Once they are mandatory in some situations the push will come to have them mandatory everywhere.

It's not about making her safe.

It's about making her safer

She's literally stayed indoors not being able to even choose a tin of beans for herself, exercising alone and not meeting friends. She's done that without whinging once, but then a child of WWII is far less of a snowflake than this current generation are and understands about working together as a community, making a little bit of sacrifice for the collective good.

I hope that they are made mandatory everywhere that's enclosed. If that restricts your freedom well...that's too bad.

is_that_so

JoChervil wrote: »

Ach, I see you are stuck in a rebellious teenage times...

Just like your soooooo judgemental juvenile self!

Jim_Hodge

Neyite wrote: »

It's not about making her safe.

It's about making her safer

She's literally stayed indoors not being able to even choose a tin of beans for herself, exercising alone and not meeting friends. She's done that without whinging once, but then a child of WWII is far less of a snowflake than this current generation are and understands about working together as a community, making a little bit of sacrifice for the collective good.

I hope that they are made mandatory everywhere that's enclosed. If that restricts your freedom well...that's too bad.

You are dead right. Don't rise to this obvious baiting. Thankfully we don't have a society that thinks as he does.

JoChervil

polesheep wrote: »

And the prize for non sequiter of the day goes to...

It's OK. People usually don't see logic applied to their own situation.

is_that_so

Neyite wrote: »

It's not about making her safe.

It's about making her safer

She's literally stayed indoors not being able to even choose a tin of beans for herself, exercising alone and not meeting friends. She's done that without whinging once, but then a child of WWII is far less of a snowflake than this current generation are and understands about working together as a community, making a little bit of sacrifice for the collective good.

I hope that they are made mandatory everywhere that's enclosed. If that restricts your freedom well...that's too bad.

The rationale for mask use advisory is inability to distance and busier public transport ticks that box with mandatory use being the only way to allow such numbers to travel safely. Supermarkets and shops we've been dealing with for quite some time and social distancing is possible there so that makes the use of a mask a personal choice. Many people choose not to yet there have been no massive outbreaks associated with them over the last three months.

brick tamland

everlast75 wrote: »

Why does it have to be an either or situation?

Personally, I have never known anyone who has been to the moon. That doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Just because you haven't heard of an outbreak (not that it needs to be one for someone to have caught it), doesn't mean someone wasn't infected.

Again - there is no reason given in your answer as to why you should not or do not wear a mask?

Again???? My 1st post in this thread

Ig you were to read my post properly I never said you shouldnt wear one, i said they are massively over hyped, which your post doesnt do a anything to counter

thanks

polesheep

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

The poster's mother would be better protected if people stopped with their bull**** and just put a mask on. You're not the only person entitled to a life.

Tell me, if we're lucky enough to get a vaccine for Covid-19, should mandatory mask wearing continue in order to protect those who are vulnerable to other infections?

polesheep

Neyite wrote: »

It's not about making her safe.

It's about making her safer

She's literally stayed indoors not being able to even choose a tin of beans for herself, exercising alone and not meeting friends. She's done that without whinging once, but then a child of WWII is far less of a snowflake than this current generation are and understands about working together as a community, making a little bit of sacrifice for the collective good.

I hope that they are made mandatory everywhere that's enclosed. If that restricts your freedom well...that's too bad.

In case you haven't noticed we have been working together as a community for months.

And there we have it. "Don't dare restrict my mother's freedom, but I don't care about your freedom".

Neyite

is_that_so wrote: »

The rationale for mask use advisory is inability to distance and busier public transport ticks that box with mandatory use being the only way to allow such numbers to travel safely. Supermarkets and shops we've been dealing with for quite some time and social distancing is possible there so that makes the use of a mask a personal choice. Many people choose not to yet there have been no massive outbreaks associated with them over the last three months.

That's because people in general were out in public a lot less. When I went to Lidl during those months to shop it was bliss. Single people (mostly women) with their trolleys, getting what they needed and getting out the door. Last week it was full of entire families having a good old wander, groups of men standing blocking an entire aisle thinking they were in the pub having a good old catch up, kids running around and banging into you. The urge to snarl at people was thankfully covered with my very cool mask. That's just grocery shopping.
Everywhere is opening up again. It's pretty much where we were around Paddys day so it stands to reason that if we apply a few measures such as social distancing or masks that it will delay or even prevent another lockdown.

It was never about outbreaks or numbers. The only reason the Government shut down the country was because our health service would not cope. They wouldn't care if we all got riddled with it, as long as we didn't expect an ICU bed or a long hospital stay in Isolation. If they see a risk of that happening again they'll just do it again.

polesheep

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

You are dead right. Don't rise to this obvious baiting. Thankfully we don't have a society that thinks as he does.

Look around you. The majority of people are now getting on with their lives. If you have a gripe about how the vulnerable have been treated in all of this take it up with the nursing/care homes. That's where the failure to protect the vulnerable took place.

polesheep

Neyite wrote: »

That's only a consideration if you are sexually active

The other day, I hugged my mother for the first time since the beginning of March. That's the first physical contact she's had with a single soul. She cried. I cried. She's cocooned and given up her fairly active retirement to stay safe as she is vulnerable. Covid will surely kill her if she gets it.

Now she's finally allowed out. She can pick the brand of bread or beans she prefers rather than me guessing and getting her the ones she dislikes. She can do her own errands in short safe bursts but she's still very cautious. And she's scared. She's not bothered about dying, but she is scared of being stuck, alone in a hospital with none of her family there at the end.

Even in lockdown you had more freedom than she did. Nobody is asking you to live like she did for the last 5 months. They are just asking that when you are near other people in a closed environment, you wear something to cover your nose and mouth like the rest of us so that we can keep the rates of infections low enough for us ALL to go about our business the way we used to.

You have the right to insist that wearing something over your nose and mouth for a short amount of time somehow enslaves you. I have the right to decide you are a selfish, self centred person for not wearing a mask, and judge you accordingly.

And by the way, why have you joined in the abusive personal comments? That really is beneath any intelligent poster.

Arrival

Curious to know what the people refusing to wear masks would do if they had to visit the home of someone in their family or a friend who has an underlying health condition, would they also refuse to wear a mask to help increase the safety for them? After all, masks are taking away from their freedoms so surely they wouldn't? Or would it be the case that they would happily wear one in this situation because they care about that person, but they're just ****ty enough people to not feel like extending that consideration to strangers

is_that_so

Neyite wrote: »

That's because people in general were out in public a lot less. When I went to Lidl during those months to shop it was bliss. Single people (mostly women) with their trolleys, getting what they needed and getting out the door. Last week it was full of entire families having a good old wander, groups of men standing blocking an entire aisle thinking they were in the pub having a good old catch up, kids running around and banging into you. The urge to snarl at people was thankfully covered with my very cool mask. That's just grocery shopping.
Everywhere is opening up again. It's pretty much where we were around Paddys day so it stands to reason that if we apply a few measures such as social distancing or masks that it will delay or even prevent another lockdown.

It was never about outbreaks or numbers. The only reason the Government shut down the country was because our health service would not cope. They wouldn't care if we all got riddled with it, as long as we didn't expect an ICU bed or a long hospital stay in Isolation. If they see a risk of that happening again they'll just do it again.

You can only look after what you're doing yourself. Even with things reopening I see it as a lower risk than March because we know what it is and we have been programmed to behave in a certain way. I still see most people making an effort on distancing anywhere I go.

Away With The Fairies

polesheep wrote: »

Tell me, if we're lucky enough to get a vaccine for Covid-19, should mandatory mask wearing continue in order to protect those who are vulnerable to other infections?

Did you hear about the world's shortage of oxygen? If you're so happy to spread your germs, will you be happy to give up oxygen to help someone that you infected? If it comes to it, you really don't deserve the oxygen.

polesheep

Neyite wrote: »

That's because people in general were out in public a lot less. When I went to Lidl during those months to shop it was bliss. Single people (mostly women) with their trolleys, getting what they needed and getting out the door. Last week it was full of entire families having a good old wander, groups of men standing blocking an entire aisle thinking they were in the pub having a good old catch up, kids running around and banging into you. The urge to snarl at people was thankfully covered with my very cool mask. That's just grocery shopping.
Everywhere is opening up again. It's pretty much where we were around Paddys day so it stands to reason that if we apply a few measures such as social distancing or masks that it will delay or even prevent another lockdown.

It was never about outbreaks or numbers. The only reason the Government shut down the country was because our health service would not cope. They wouldn't care if we all got riddled with it, as long as we didn't expect an ICU bed or a long hospital stay in Isolation. If they see a risk of that happening again they'll just do it again.

NPHET has made it clear that the approach will be different.

polesheep

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Did you hear about the world's shortage of oxygen? If you're so happy to spread your germs, will you be happy to give up oxygen to help someone that you infected? If it comes to it, you really don't deserve the oxygen.

You haven't answered my question.

Neyite

polesheep wrote: »

In case you haven't noticed we have been working together as a community for months.

And there we have it. "Don't dare restrict my mother's freedom, but I don't care about your freedom".

Yes, pretty much. Because the restrictions on your freedom are self imposed. By you. Your choice. I've nothing to do with what you decide.

My mother had restrictions imposed on her for months by the Government. And now that she has a bit more freedom to choose what she does, you are absolutely right that I don't want people to screw that up for her again.

So don't go on a bus or into a shop or medical appointment where you are expected to wear a mask. Stay home if you prefer. I genuinely do not care that you've chosen to restrict yourself.

polesheep

Neyite wrote: »

Yes, pretty much. Because the restrictions on your freedom are self imposed. By you. Your choice. I've nothing to do with what you decide.

My mother had restrictions imposed on her for months by the Government. And now that she has a bit more freedom to choose what she does, you are absolutely right that I don't want people to screw that up for her again.

So don't go on a bus or into a shop or medical appointment where you are expected to wear a mask. Stay home if you prefer. I genuinely do not care that you've chosen to restrict yourself.

You aren't making any sense. How can mandatory mask wearing be a self-imposed restriction? And we all had restrictions imposed on us for months, not just your mother.

moonage

Pathologist Dr John Lee in an article in late April:

"So does wearing a mask protect others if you’re infectious? There’s little direct evidence to say that it does, and quite a lot of straightforward reasoning to suggest it doesn’t."

"The point is: does any of what is out there add up to a watertight case for compelling people to wear masks in public or at work (outside a healthcare setting)? The threshold for compulsion must surely be higher than ‘maybe’ and ‘perhaps’. "

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/face-masks-should-there-be-a-cover-up-

UK Government June 23:

"It is important to know that the evidence of the benefit of using a
face covering to protect others is weak and the effect is likely to
be small"

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5eb96e8e86650c278b077616/Keeping-workers-and-customers-safe-during-covid-19-restaurants-pubs-bars-takeaways-230620.pdf

Boggles

moonage wrote: »

Pathologist Dr John Lee in an article in late April:

April eh?

He is the same cockwomble who said the UK over reacted.

I think we can file him under ignore.

Limpy

Bring back the burka

everlast75

brick tamland wrote: »

Ig you were to read my post properly I never said you shouldnt wear one, i said they are massively over hyped, which your post doesnt do a anything to counter
thanks

So you are conceding that they work, albeit you claim more than some people claim.

So, if they do work, why not wear one?

Boggles

brick tamland wrote: »

Again???? My 1st post in this thread

Ig you were to read my post properly I never said you shouldnt wear one, i said they are massively over hyped, which your post doesnt do a anything to counter

thanks

Ed Sheeran is massively over hyped.

Masks work, evidenced based scientific studies on this actual virus confirm it.

Neyite

polesheep wrote: »

You aren't making any sense. How can mandatory mask wearing be a self-imposed restriction? And we all had restrictions imposed on us for months, not just your mother.

You can choose not to go into the place where masks are mandatory. That's your self imposed restriction.

Yes we all had restrictions. However, cocooners had additional ones imposed on them that you didn't have.

Elmer Blooker

Boggles wrote: »

Masks work, evidenced based scientific studies on this actual virus confirm it.

Why weren't we urged to wear them three months ago then?