tobefrank321 wrote: » It seems to be not confined to Sweden. UK's numbers are completely unreliable. Something like 43k confirmed deaths, but excess deaths are up on 65k. Some of these 65k are probably not covid 19 related, but most would be. New York added 1500 nursing home deaths in one day as they forgot to include them, something similar happened in France. There is no way the Brazil figures are reliable or China's. Even in Ireland we backdated many deaths. There seems to be general issues confirming deaths.
charlie14 wrote: » I saw that, and if they are correct it is not that bad in fairness. It might be worth noting though that is a projection from the Dept of Finance of a government that backed this strategy. Their Central bank had a gloomier worst case figure of -9.7% depending on how long the present Covid-10 situation prevailed in Sweden. I saw a few reports that Sweden are not being projected to bounce back next year as well as many others in Europe though. Statista for example has their GDP 2021 growth at 4.3% whereas Ireland`s is 6.1%
Bit cynical wrote: » Can you post your source for these figures?
sydthebeat wrote: » its very worrying when sweden are so far behind in their death reporting. i have been keeping an eye on the dates of 28th and 29th April as a sample investigation into their reporting. They initially reported these days in the high 20's low 30's... but were at 82 each for the last couple of weeks. However just checking today and the 29th has gone up to 84, which means 2 additional deaths have been added to that date in the last few days... so one has to ask... how inept is the administration if there are historical deaths been added to the numbers a whole 58 days after the death occurs?? is it a deliberate attempt to try to hide deaths over time, like painting another layer onto already horrific numbers?
Bit cynical wrote: » Sweden's department of finance have updated figures for Sweden's GDP of -6% for the year.https://www.thelocal.se/20200618/sweden-reports-first-positive-signs-of-economic-recovery-after-corona-crash The IMF have also revised downwards a lot of forecasts for other countries although they don't include Sweden in their figures. France –12.5 Germany –7.8 Italy –12.8 Netherlands –7.7 Spain –12.8 United Kingdom –10.2 So the general trend in the forecasts is that Sweden is getting better as more is known and other countries like France and Italy are getting worse in terms of GDP. Sweden's -6% is actually not too bad considering the economic devastation of the surrounding countries.
charlie14 wrote: » With the numbers of new cases and still high deaths in comparison to others, it`s debatable if Sweden really have reached the bottom and are seeing a turn upwards Their Central Bank predictions were for 7% best and 9.7% worst case dependent on how long the present situation continued in Sweden. That is how the global economy works. Something that those predicting economic benefit from Sweden`s strategy ignored. There are many other countries in Europe who can feel harder done by than Sweden who will also see GDP contraction, but have had less deaths per capita than Sweden.
Bit cynical wrote: » This is why you need to look at rolling averages of a seven days or more and also look at deaths per day as opposed to cases which rely on testing numbers and how they are targeted. Still not perfect, of course, but general trends become visible. Regarding the graph, there's still an overall downward trend in the numbers which is set to continue by the looks of things.
JimmyVik wrote: » Couldnt tell you what its like in Brazil. But thats what it is like in India.
bb1234567 wrote: » It does not explain the high death rate among the under 60 cohort. Very few people in the under 60 age group in Europe even needed hospital attention, they recovered fine on their own, so the good healtcare was not really relevant here. Clearly in the developing world a much higher proprtion of younger people are requiring medical attention. Maybe if they lived somewhere with good healthcare many more of them would have survived, but either way young people in the developing world are being hospitalsied at much higher rates than young Europeans. Anyway it's not just a theory, data from the US and UK has shown that non white people are at much higher risk of suffering complications from COVID, even if they are young(under 60 is what I'm calling young in this context). So it makes sense that in countries where these ethnic groups are a majority they are seeing higher death rates than in Europe.https://www.wxxinews.org/post/african-americans-dying-covid-19-almost-triple-rate-white-people-monroe-county
bb1234567 wrote: » It does not explain the high death rate among the under 60 cohort. Very few people in the under 60 age group in Europe even needed hospital attention, they recovered fine on their own, so the good healtcare was not really relevant here. Clearly in the developing world a much higher proprtion of younger people are requiring medical attention. Maybe if they lived somewhere with good healthcare many more of them would have survived, but either way young people in the developing world are being hospitalsied at much higher rates than young Europeans. Anyway it's not just a theory, data from the US and UK has shown that non white people are at much higher risk of suffering complications from COVID, even if they are young(under 60 is what I'm calling young in this context). So it makes sense that in countries where these ethnic groups are a majority they are seeing higher death rates than in Europe.
Bit cynical wrote: » Vastly different health services in Brazil and India compared to most European countries for the average person.
bb1234567 wrote: » Non white peoples are at much higher risk of complications than white Europeans. 50% of deaths in India are under 60 years old , 31% of deaths in Brazil are under 60 years old Across Europe only 5% of deaths have been under 60
gmisk wrote: » In the UK anyway BAME people occupy a lot of key worker roles in the NHS and social care so there probably more exposed to covid-19 so probably more likely to be diagnosed.
Harry Palmr wrote: » Their daily numbers go up and down to a crazy extent.
Mic 1972 wrote: » Allegedly Africa American are more likely to due for Covid, but hey... it's their call after all
Polar101 wrote: » Midsummer last weekend. They didn't report during the weekend, so most likely less referrals done as well.
MOH wrote: » Unfortunately* not. They might contact the virus, but given the demographics of those protesting they're unlikely to suffer too much. It's the people they pass it on to who are likely to suffer the most. (*Unfortunately because if someone wants to risk their life protesting for a cause they believe in I have nothing but respect for them. When they're primarily risking other people's lives that respect is replaced with contempt)
Mic 1972 wrote: » BLM protests are only going to spread the virus further, look at the US stats to have an idea Then again, protesters will be the ones affected the most
Hurrache wrote: » I'm confused, was the surge because of BLM, or thanking BLM for showing there's no issue?
biko wrote: » A comparison with Ireland Sweden at 496.21 deaths per million Ireland at 353.35 death per million Could we say Sweden's approach have cost them 140 extra deaths per million? In all approx 1400 people so far?
Harry Palmr wrote: » 343 new cases today, 1,273 yesterday Their daily numbers go up and down to a crazy extent.
charlie14 wrote: » The Local Se has deaths now at 5209 and confirmed cases at 62,324.
Harry Palmr wrote: » Still no stats for yesterday on worldometers
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