Bishop of hope wrote: » The washings of the bag like, how, would SF supporters feel about MM as Taoiseach? Would the SF membership pass a deal with FF and the Greens, would FF membership or the Greens for that matter? Is it just about getting SF in without a thought of a programme for government? Lads, just because this current deal is rejected, if it is, doesn't mean wahey it's FF SF and whoever!
McMurphy wrote: » Why assume Michaeál would be Taoiseach? So now the shinners do want to govern afterall? Careful now Bishop, few lads on here going to be arguing with you on this.
Bishop of hope wrote: » Just questions Mc, I don't know how it will turn out, it will all be irrelevant if the current deal goes ahead anyway. What process does SF go through if there's a deal offered, who has a say in its acceptance, is it the members voting or is it like an Ard-Fheis where its put to them and they all vote yes as, the result is pre established?
dundalkfc10 wrote: » They are clutching at straws at this stage, great reading on all threads.
Bishop of hope wrote: » I haven't seen anything bar them saying nobody will talk to us that makes me think there's a chance in hell of them agreeing to be in govt. My opinion is, they will not agree no matter who approaches them anyway.
dundalkfc10 wrote: » Because FG and FF and Greens wouldnt talk to them. FF and the Greens have opened the door for talks to happen (if Greens say no) Cant explain it any easier
Jinglejangle69 wrote: » Numbers were still there. Even RBB rinsed Mary Lou.
dundalkfc10 wrote: » Well my maths are FF 38 + FG 35 + Greens 12 = 85 Remaining seats 75
hatrickpatrick wrote: » The "numbers were there" commentary is based upon the very reasonable assumption that the Greens would be happy to talk to a left wing alliance if it included environmentalist policies.
dundalkfc10 wrote: » Yes what Catholics went through in the North was a disgrace (My Parents were 2 of them) You should read about it, while the Govt down here done nothing about it.
Yeah_Right wrote: » So did Bobby "The Freedom Fighter" Storey do anything to help your parents? Or did he just get revenge for what they went through? The government in the Republic were probably more concerned about "The Freedom Fighters" killing their police force than worrying about what was happening to catholics in another country.
hatrickpatrick wrote: » I can't definitively speak for anyone else but I would be willing to bet that a huge volume of the young people who flocked to SF would be happy with any government which tackled the cost of living and housing through left wing policies. The issue isn't that we'd still oppose FFG if they brought in such measures, the issue is that we don't trust them to do it regardless of what they say or what agreements they sign off on. They'll find some excuse to pander to neoliberalism and not change course even if they promised to change course to begin with. FG at least are honest about not wanting to fix the problem, FF come across as a bunch of dishonest gobsh!tes on the issue considering their prior record in office. Point being, if they do go in and they do change policy in this area, then great. It's not about party or personality but policy. The surge in support for SF is entirely born out of opposition to FFG's shared ideology and support for SF's opposing ideology. Obviously if FFG genuinely adopted the opposing ideology, then people would stop having as big an issue with them. The problem is, though, that they've sullied their reputations so much in this regard that even if they said they were changing policy, a lot of young people would assume they were just lying to get the pressure off their backs, and would come up with some excuse for reneging on commitments further down the line. Eoghan Murphy, for example, single handedly did more damage to FG's reputation among young people than any individual politician has done for any political party in my entire memory of observing and participating in Irish politics. Even if they change policy, people still remember the attitude this man had towards the suffering of the young, and the fact that he had Leo's backing throughout his entire term in that office. Direct attacks against a demographic of the kind Murphy engaged in are extremely difficult to forget in terms of coming around to trusting a party. That's why people don't trust FG. FF at least have left wing policies in their past, which proves that they could come back around to them. Essentially, while FF + SF wouldn't be as attractive as SF with other parties aside from FF and FG, it's still orders of magnitude better than any government involving FG. In that scenario, I think many SF voters would accept MM as Taoiseach if it meant a change in national policy alongside ensuring that FG got nowhere near power again for at least the next five years.
dundalkfc10 wrote: » Awh pet, its ok. FF/SF and the Greens will be talking tomorrow night
blackwhite wrote: » I see SF are nominating Paddy Holohan for mayor of SDCC. Clearly there were some severe consequences from the disciplinary action they took in January :rolleyes:
JohnnyFlash wrote: » An extremely unusual decision. Even though when you have the likes of Murray and Ellis in a party then you shouldn’t be too surprised. Lie down with dogs, wake up with fleas.
blanch152 wrote: » I was astonished to read this.https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/sinn-fein-hierarchy-claims-it-was-not-aware-paddy-holohan-would-get-nomination-for-mayor-39319362.html Unbelievable stuff. Imagine nominating a racist homophobe for mayor?
smurgen wrote: » Crazy ****. And a real turn off for those of us looking for alternatives to FF & FG.
