hmmm wrote: » Does the 1.4bn for the Astra Zeneca include the Serum institute deal in India? Their production is supposed to be immense. The Russians said this week they would be producing a vaccine for themselves, and the Chinese will supply all their population. The EU was involved with a WHO initiative to get vaccines into poorer parts of the world, particularly Africa. Moderna/Lonza is aiming for a billion doses. Of course, not all the vaccine candidates might work either...
Hmmzis wrote: » With Modena that brings the total to over 5bln doses. Given all work out (considerable IF), the others need to chip in a billion or two on top of that to practically elliminate this disease. The ChAdOx numbers are with SII included.
FutureTeashock wrote: » Many people will refuse the vaccine. Why don't people like you get that?:mad:
Call me Al wrote: » We know, we know. You don't like any potential vaccine being discussed. You've been telling this to everyone posting here all week and it's getting more than a little tiresome considering you're posting on a thread specifically aimed at discussing covid19 vaccine developments. Nobody will strap you to the chair and forcibly vaccinate you. Just like you haven't been compulsorily vaccinated for anything else since you reached adulthood in case you haven't noticed. Take your chances and allow the rest of society to take theirs. Once approved that means there's more for the rest of us.
FutureTeashock wrote: » When a poster states 7 billion vaccines are needed to eradicate the disease, that sounds a lot like mandatory vaccination. Many of your kind advocate for this so I feel the need to fight back against it. 'm not for one second saying vaccines should be banned.
FutureTeashock wrote: » Many of your kind advocate for this so I feel the need to fight back against it.
hmmm wrote: » Sanofi & Glaxo expect accelerated approval of their vaccine, aiming for first-half of 2021.https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-sanofi-vaccine/sanofi-eyes-approval-of-covid-19-vaccine-by-first-half-of-2021-idUSKBN23U0JN It's the first time I've seen a hint of open competition: "“There are companies moving faster, but let us be brutally clear, speed has three downsides,” he said of competition. “They are using existing work, in many cases done for SARS; it is likely not to be as efficacious; and there is no guarantee on supply in large volumes,” Hudson said. The probability of success for Sanofi is “higher than anybody else,” the CEO said. The comments echoed those of GSK, whose chief medical officer for vaccines told Reuters on Friday the company was aiming at quality before speed."
Hmmzis wrote: » For the sake of all of the people anywhere I genuinely hope we will not need anywhere near the 7bln doses to erradicate this bastard of a virus. Then again, it's better to have the doses, especially since the older and more vulnerable might need more than a dose or two to get a decent protection level. P.S. Nobody in this thread can or will force you to take the jab. Personally, I will take it and so will every member of my family. Non of us want to be responsible for someone elses suffering or death.
ACitizenErased wrote: » Not sure if it was posted here or not but Dr. Fauci said in the US today that the vaccine is a cause of 'when, not if' and it's possible it'll be ready by the end of the year.
rusty cole wrote: » If you;re on the waiting list for a heart transplant, you're responsible for somebodies death in that case...the person lower down the list.. you're taking it for the altruism of it all then eh?
hmmm wrote: » Here's the bit where Fauci talked about vaccines. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PA_wKuexf60
ACitizenErased wrote: » Is it possible for multiple vaccines to be used? Some are supposed to be ready this year and others not until 2022. What's the point of the 2022 ones if the others are going to be available?
LiquidZeb wrote: » Fair enough you don't trust the vaccine. Don't take it then. Tbh I can see where you're coming from to a point. But don't question the professionalism or dedication of the people working on one. They're amazing people
Stark wrote: » Benjamin Franklin didn't have to invest billions in failed avenues of exploration before discovering the stove.
hmmm wrote: » There's a couple of reasons I can think of: 1. No one vaccine can be manufactured in large enough doses for everyone who needs it. We'll need multiple vaccines 2. Not every vaccine will succeed in trials. We need lots of shots on target 3. There are multiple different technologies being used. We're not sure yet which technology will be best 4. We may get a "good" vaccine shortly which gives protection in the short term. We might get a "better" vaccine later which gives longer-term protection. 5. Some companies are using this to prove new platforms (see 3 above). These vaccine platforms can be re-purposed for existing viruses, or used if there are future pandemics. 6. Some vaccines may work well in certain groups, but not others. E.g. some vaccines not be suitable for older people, and we'll need alternatives.
hmmm wrote: » A bit more on Sanofi "Sanofi, which like others working on Covid-19 vaccines is producing in bulk at risk — before its candidate vaccines have been shown to work — expects to have 100 million doses of the recombinant vaccine by the end of 2020, and an additional 1 billion doses in 2021, he said. It’s unclear how many shots will be required to protect each person, though the company expects it may take two, with a four-week interval between the vaccinations. If that proves to be the case — and if the vaccine works — Sanofi could provide enough of this vaccine to protect 50 million people in 2020 and 500 million in 2021."
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