declanflynn wrote: » They cops should have parked up his car and drove him home. Only in the US do you get killed for sleeping in your car.
froog wrote: » you don't think if the dude was white the cop wouldn't have shot him so instinctively?
Rows Grower wrote: » Protesters have burned down the Wendy's restaurant where the incident happened and it looks like this is going to escalate into more nationwide protests under the flag of BLM. Sorry the man has died but the colour of his skin had nothing to do with it.
punisher5112 wrote: » How do you know? I'm just saying look at more videos and you will understand then how dangerous it is to be a cop. Cops don't shoot or tase every person they come across, many have never fired a weapon at all in their service. The male fought, took a officers weapon and used it against them. The ah should have shot him in the leg trick is something that I'd laughable as people could still easily bleed out and it's much harder to fire from a hand gun and be that accurate.
RasTa wrote: » I remember this policeman in also said he was reaching for his taser.https://www.nbcnews.com/video/a-closer-look-at-the-walter-scott-shooting-424905283706
lawrencesummers wrote: » [HTML][/HTML] No, it’s classed as a non lethal weapon.
The TASER device is a less-lethal, not non-lethal, weapon. Sharp metal projectiles and electricity are in use, so misuse or abuse of the weapon increases the likelihood that serious injury or death may occur. In addition, the manufacturer has identified other risk factors that may increase the risks of use.
declanflynn wrote: » I dont think this man had guns and drugs in his car!
joe40 wrote: » If that exact same situation had happened in Derry, the PSNI would not have shot someone dead even though they are armed. Because they are a responsible well trained police force. The lack of basic humanity from some posters is quite worrying. A young man is dead and he doesn't need to be. It is not anti police to look for better training, and better policies about guns, to try to prevent this sort of thing. This auld sh*the about the young man getting what he deserved is repulsive.
Timberrrrrrrr wrote: » It's not a "non lethal weapon" it's a less than lethal weapon. You sound like he had a nerf gun
punisher5112 wrote: » Have a look at YouTube and look at shootouts where police have been killed or shot multiple times and left for dead..... One from I believe 2017 was a traffic stop, they were speaking with a male, he had enough after similar circumstances where they were placing him in cuffs, he fought and there were two officers, he was tased, he continued fighting the cops even dragged him out of a live motorway lane to safe his life, he managed to over power them, got up ran to his car and shot both of them numerous times, how they weren't killed was an absolute miracle. He was black and both officers were white, he was around 22 I believe and the car was full of drugs. But you seem to think the cops are always wrong.
frag420 wrote: » It didn't happen in Ireland. Well the only way he could have done a runner by driving away is by the cops letting him drive the car which they did. If he was a clear threat, why not call for back up, why let him drive his car? Look we can see from this and other the other thread (that you started) that you have a hard on for the US police and it seems to get particularly hard when they kill a black person...
lawrencesummers wrote: » Your justifying lethal force against somebody with a non lethal weapon who is actively trying to flee. That means everyone suspected of a crime is open to shooting if resisting arrest because a punch can do the same. There is a reason the cops classify these as non lethal, so they can use them in lots of situations. Cops need to learn how to handle people better, both verbally and physically, and how not to let a drunk guy take your taser off you.
frag420 wrote: » I could get behind that if the cop was alone as his pattern was inside getting coffee and donuts or whatever but according to one poster here there were tow sets of cops, so a min of three cops there. they had ample opportunity to not kill him.
lawrencesummers wrote: » Your justifying lethal force against somebody with a non lethal weapon who is actively trying to flee.
lawrencesummers wrote: » Cops need to learn how to handle people better, both verbally and physically, and how not to let a drunk guy take your taser off you.
sdanseo wrote: » This for me is justified based on the 2nd officers bodycam: (audio is graphic, but no visible injuries) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KT01znN_PiU In the time leading up to 2:18, suspect scuffles and through the audio we hear a number of references to his grabbing a taser. At 2:19, he is tased himself, presumably by the cop who still has his taser. As he falls we can clearly see he has the taser in his hand. At 2:16, 7 seconds later, he's shot. Taser bursts last 5 seconds, so it's reasonable to put 2 and 2 together that he's on the ground, taser has stopped firing, and he points it at one of the cops. Game over. Absolutely. If you're an armed cop and someone has a taser on you they can very quickly use it to disable you and take your gun. Deadly force sadly is very justified in that case. Even if the second cop tasing him was an option, it would not be appropriate because if that fails he could also be disabled. In this case as well, it looks like the first taser shot has failed to totally subdue the suspect. The guy resisted arrest, fought with police, and ultimately endangered their lives which triggers the deadly force response. An element of darwinism has to apply there, however small. Cop needs his job back. And bodycams need stronger clips.
sdanseo wrote: » Absolutely. If you're an armed cop and someone has a taser on you they can very quickly use it to disable you and take your gun. Deadly force sadly is very justified in that case. Even if the second cop tasing him was an option, it would not be appropriate because if that fails he could also be disabled. In this case as well, it looks like the first taser shot has failed to totally subdue the suspect. The guy resisted arrest, fought with police, and ultimately endangered their lives which triggers the deadly force response. An element of darwinism has to apply there, however small. Cop needs his job back. And bodycams need stronger clips.
no.8 wrote: » Calm down lad. Please tread my earlier comment
frag420 wrote: » But he was passed out apparently, would someone who is not drunk pass out? He had no idea what the thought process of the cops were and taking into consideration recent events, do you blame him? Perhaps the cops should have acted cool, stayed calm and a cop would now have a job and a dead guy would be alive!
punisher5112 wrote: Do you want the police to give him a hug or something.
punisher5112 wrote: Wtf, the video shows it all.
punisher5112 wrote: He fought the police, he tased them and tried to numerous times.
sdanseo wrote: » This for me is justified based on the 2nd officers bodycam: (audio is graphic, but no visible injuries) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KT01znN_PiU In the time leading up to 2:18, suspect scuffles and through the audio we hear a number of references to his grabbing a taser. At 2:19, he is tased himself, presumably by the cop who still has his taser. At 2:16, 7 seconds later, he's shot. Taser bursts last 5 seconds, so it's reasonable to put 2 and 2 together that he's on the ground, taser has stopped firing, and he points it at one of the cops. Game over.Absolutely. If you're an armed cop and someone has a taser on you they can very quickly use it to disable you and take your gun. Deadly force sadly is very justified in that case. Even if the second cop tasing him was an option, it would not be appropriate because if that fails he could also be disabled. In this case as well, it looks like the first taser shot has failed to totally subdue the suspect. The guy resisted arrest, fought with police, and ultimately endangered their lives which triggers the deadly force response. An element of darwinism has to apply there, however small. Cop needs his job back. And bodycams need stronger clips.
punisher5112 wrote: » Compliant at 1st as he believed they would let him walk away but 1st thought I'd say was act cool, stay calm and I'll get my food and drive home. You or I have no idea what his though process was and the cops at that point wouldn't have known he was drunk.
RasTa wrote: » This type of death would only happen in America. I think that's what they are trying to change.
lawrencesummers wrote: » Is that justified? Using lethal force against someone who has a non lethal weapon? Is shooting someone who has a baseball bat allowed?
no.8 wrote: » This is exactly why we must wait for facts and investigations to conclude or at least throw up provisional findings. None of us were there, none of us know the entire truth. I really wish i could have talked to the man to tell him not to run or do whatever he did afterwards but i can't, nor can you. Media is shared instantaneously these days but it's a far way away from giving the entire picture
False Prophet wrote: » In ireland that's what I believe guards would do, advise you to park up so you would not be blocking or danger to anyone else. Plus no lives would have been in danger unless I guess he did a runner and tried to escape by driving away.
walshb wrote: » Are there anymore excuses and scenarios you’d like to present here? The man was a clear threat. He created this, caused it and he was responsible for it completely escalating...
