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Police Shooting USA. Rayshard Brooks.

lawrencesummers

Cops called because a guy was asleep in his car in the queue for a drive through.
Failed field sobriety test.
Tussled with cops.
Shot and killed.
Looks on the outset like another use of excessive Force by police, but there is so much more wrong with it.

One cop has been fired and the other is Put on leave.

Firing somebody that immediately and without due process is probably in a bid to quell the protests - (but it hasn’t) But it can’t be right, surely these matters need investigation, statements and the a just decision, which may well be dismissal / charges filed etc.

There is a big risk of the authorities in the USA actually losing their own police force if they don’t maintain the law and order and due process that everyone deserves. Has the cop in this instance actually violated the procedures That are given to him for arresting people? If a cop needs to be fired then fine, fire hundreds of them but only after due process.

RIP the victim, On his daughters birthday apparently.

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lawrencesummers

washman3 wrote: »

The guy would be alive today if he complied with the police. End of story.!!

And he would also be alive today if the cops hadn’t used lethal force to handle a situation that didn’t need it.

frag420

Danzy wrote: »

It played out in the real world, not a Steven Segal movie.

in that case you will have real world facts to back up your claims that he shot a non lethal taser!?

Odd that the cops all act like they are in a Steven Segal film though...

lawrencesummers

Fred Cryton wrote: »

Lads the statistics are that two thirds of people killed by cops in the US are WHITE. Only one-third black.

Remember the media always creates the narrative. Don't be easily led by it.

We are not talking about statistics, narratives or the media. This is an incident with videos.

ExMachina1000

Didn't armed gardai shoot someone at a checkpoint not too long ago?

Plus there are more guns than people in the United states. Police officers are putting themselves in potential deadly situations everyday.

lawrencesummers

Danzy wrote: »

Yes, a taser is considered a lethal weapon, also had he a hidden gun?, they knew he was very violent and very drunk.

The modern left are happy for working class people to bear the brunt of their views, even if it means allowing weapons to be pointed and maybe used.

If that’s the case then answer this hypothetical question.

If a cop tasers somebody and it is found to be unnecessary should they be charged with attempted murder?

frag420

Danzy wrote: »

Yes, a taser is considered a lethal weapon, also had he a hidden gun?, they knew he was very violent and very drunk.

The modern left are happy for working class people to bear the brunt of their views, even if it means allowing weapons to be pointed and maybe used.

Did he have a hidden gun, did you see it? Did the police see it?

How did they know he was violent and very drunk? Did they scan his car reg and check first?

And if they did why not call for backup, that would be the sensible and reasonable thing to do eh?

Fred Cryton

Lads the statistics are that two thirds of people killed by cops in the US are WHITE. Only one-third black.

Remember the media always creates the narrative. Don't be easily led by it.

Danzy

frag420 wrote: »

Evidence for this please?

Do you know for a fact that it was a loaded taser he took ands not the taser that had been used on him in which case it was now obsolete and was no danger whatsoever unless thrown at them!

And again, a taser is a non lethal weapon.

Why use lethal force against non lethal force, it makes no sense?

It played out in the real world, not a Steven Segal movie.

frag420

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

Oh but one more time.

HE FELL ASLEEP IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DRIVE THRU LINE. HE WAS NOT PARKED!

My bad, didnt see that part, they were correct to kill him then!:rolleyes:

Nozebleed

joe40 wrote: »

Everybody accepts there is a problem with crime. Everybody.

Ireland has a problem with crime, gangland killings, bodies been cut up before disposal.
Burglary, assaults, torture intimidation, we've got them all.

Resisting arrest? Frequently

We still don't have a police force that kills people as regularly as America.

The first step in curing a problem, is admitting there is a problem.

Some are incapable of that.

Police are there to protect law abiding citizens. they are not the problem.
its the folks who continually break the law who are the problem.

the mentality that the cops are somehow scum has been around for years..
and its the scumbags of society who always portray cops that way. no doubt because they've been served justice in some way of another for breaking the law.

this guy was not killed because of the colour of his skin. he was shot..because he attacked a police officer taking his weapon and tried to flee the scene. unfortunately he died as a result,but that's his fault and not the officer in question.

Danzy

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Is that justified? Using lethal force against someone who has a non lethal weapon? Is shooting someone who has a baseball bat allowed?

Yes, a taser is considered a lethal weapon, also had he a hidden gun?, they knew he was very violent and very drunk.

The modern left are happy for working class people to bear the brunt of their views, even if it means allowing weapons to be pointed and maybe used.

weldoninhio

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

What I meant is he should have discussed it slowly and calmly before cuffing him... the man was drunk and probably a bit scared.

They just said, "we're gonna cuff you now", and proceeded to put his hands behind his back. I think that was too abrupt for the situation and the current climate. The man got spooked by getting cuffed... he probably wasn't expecting it.

More hug a thug shyte.

zpehtsfd

lawrencesummers wrote: »

It looks like something was fired alright, I just don’t see how you can say “direct” From a sideward angle.

What is clear from that video is that taser fired or not, it didn’t have any effect on the officer who was able to continue following the suspect.

Ugh!!

Danzy

The killing was justified and the officers were overly restrained but when he pointed a weapon, he had to go.

Firing the officers, having the police Chief stand down.

Un****ingbelievable.

What we'll see is the Police losing their best officers in America now, who would be a policeman now, especially if white, you aren't even allowed defend your life and the Mayor will allow the last few black community businesses to be burnt.

Insane, the zealots are setting the agenda.

washman3

lawrencesummers wrote: »

That guy would also be alive today if the police had followed their procedures.

The guy would be alive today if he complied with the police. End of story.!!

weldoninhio

frag420 wrote: »

I disagree, I would wager if it had been a white guy asleep in his car then the police would not have been called so his skin colour at the very least indirectly led to his death.

So if it was a white man, the Drivethru would have just shut up shop and let him sleep??

lawrencesummers

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

Oh but one more time.

HE FELL ASLEEP IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DRIVE THRU LINE. HE WAS NOT PARKED!

How do you know he was in the middle? He could have been at the back of the queue.

lawrencesummers

weldoninhio wrote: »

Justified kill. He shot a cop with a taser. Play stupid games win stupid prizes.

Shot the cop? Or shot at the cop?

lawrencesummers

zpehtsfd wrote: »

https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1271940313553055745

You will see the moment the taser is fired (flash of light) directly at the PO.

It looks like something was fired alright, I just don’t see how you can say “direct” From a sideward angle.

What is clear from that video is that taser fired or not, it didn’t have any effect on the officer who was able to continue following the suspect.

weldoninhio

Mattdhg wrote: »

This is the CCTV from the Wendy's where it all happened https://youtu.be/2Z1HCJpo4N4

To me, it looks like Rayshard was being chased by Officer A and turns around and successfully tases him because the officer slams into the car. Officer B is getting up from where they had the initial struggle with him, sees Rayshard with the taser out and shoots him while running over.

Thats just my impression of the video... If its right then you would have a lot more sympathy for the police involved

Justified kill. He shot a cop with a taser. Play stupid games win stupid prizes.

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frag420 wrote: »

Good idea...

Oh but one more time.

HE FELL ASLEEP IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DRIVE THRU LINE. HE WAS NOT PARKED!

lawrencesummers

zpehtsfd wrote: »

Your OP was so reasoned that it's hard to believe you are now saying something like this.

Thanks

zpehtsfd

lawrencesummers wrote: »

That guy would also be alive today if the police had followed their procedures.

Your OP was so reasoned that it's hard to believe you are now saying something like this.

frag420

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

I have to watch the Wendy CCTV again but to me it looked as though the taser he had stolen was fired and the cop nearerst to him falls against a car. Has there been an enhanced version of the video yet?

On CNN last night they also had a guy state that tasers have ability to be fired more than once. I’ll need to double check that.

Good idea...

frag420

Fuascailteoir wrote: »

If you are drunk in Ireland and sitting behind the steering wheel you will be arrested for drink driving, even if asleep. Probably the same in the states

How about you find out then...Il give you some help to get you moving...

https://dui.drivinglaws.org/resources/can-i-get-a-dui-for-sitting-in-a-parked-car-while-drunk.html

Can I Get a DUI for Sitting in a Parked Car While Drunk?

The DUI laws of many states apply if you were in "actual physical control" of a vehicle—even if you weren’t actually driving.
By Joshua Egan

Do you have pending DUI charges?
Driving under the influence of alcohol or drugs is illegal in every state. But what if you get caught drunk behind the wheel of a parked car? It surprises many drivers (especially those who pull over to "sleep it off") to learn that the DUI laws of most states also prohibit drivers from "operating" or being in "actual physical control" of a car while under the influence. In other words, you can get a DUI without actually driving.

Operating or in Actual Physical Control
In states that don’t require actual driving for a DUI conviction, the prosecution still needs to prove the motorist was operating or in actual physical control of a vehicle. (Learn about all the elements of a DUI that the prosecution has to prove.)

State laws differ, but most states require juries to look at the "totality of the circumstances" to determine whether the drunk motorist was operating or in actual physical control of the vehicle. In other words, the jury is supposed to consider all the surrounding circumstances. These often include the:

location of the driver

location of the car

location of the keys

whether the car’s engine was running, and

whether the driver was awake or asleep.

Basically, a jury will be asked to decide whether the motorist was close enough to being able to set the car in motion that it presented a danger to the public.

Location of the Driver
A driver’s physical proximity to the vehicle—more specifically, the ignition of the vehicle—is an important consideration in determining whether the driver was operating or in actual physical control. The closer the driver was to being able to start up the car, the more likely the jury is to convict. So, for instance, the chances of conviction are higher for a motorist who was in the driver’s seat than a motorist who was asleep in the backseat.

Location of the Car
Car location is another key factor juries consider. If you were parked in your own driveway, you might escape responsibility. But a jury isn’t likely to be sympathetic to a motorist found parked in the middle of a roadway or on a sidewalk downtown. Basically, the car's location gives the jury an indication of whether the person was driving before police showed up and how much of a risk the person posed to the public.

Location of the Keys
Most cars require keys to start the engine. So, the location of the keys is important for assessing whether the driver was operating or in actual physical control of the vehicle. If the driver didn't have keys readily accessible, a jury might be unwilling to convict. But a driver who had the keys within reach or in the ignition won’t likely fare well with this issue at trial.

Whether the Car’s Engine Was Running
Being caught with the car engine running generally hurts a motorist’s chances of beating a DUI charge. With the engine running, the motorist is just a step away from putting the car in gear and driving away. However, other circumstances, including the driver's location, might also come into play here. For example, a motorist who was found asleep in the back seat on a cold night might be able to convince a jury that it was necessary to keep the engine running for heating the interior of the car.

Whether the Driver Was Awake or Asleep
Some states have a bright-line rule that says a driver must be awake to be operating or in actual physical control of a vehicle. But in most states, whether a driver was awake or asleep is just another factor for the jury to consider in looking at the overall situation.

joe40

Nozebleed wrote: »

some people refuse to believe there is a problem with crime when it comes to african american community.

this is where the real problem is...sad but its the truth.

Everybody accepts there is a problem with crime. Everybody.

Ireland has a problem with crime, gangland killings, bodies been cut up before disposal.
Burglary, assaults, torture intimidation, we've got them all.

Resisting arrest? Frequently

We still don't have a police force that kills people as regularly as America.

The first step in curing a problem, is admitting there is a problem.

Some are incapable of that.

lawrencesummers

Ardent wrote: »

Same thing

Nope.

zpehtsfd

lawrencesummers wrote: »

None of the videos show it being fired Directly.

https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1271940313553055745

You will see the moment the taser is fired (flash of light) directly at the PO.

lawrencesummers

Nozebleed wrote: »

this guy would still be alive and well today if he just complied with the law. he decided to assault a police officer and take one of his weapons.

That guy would also be alive today if the police had followed their procedures.

[Deleted User]

frag420 wrote: »

Do we know he fired a taser? Maybe it was the taser that the police had fired at him that was now obsolete and thus even less of a threat than normal?

Aren't tasers meant to be non lethal, why use lethal force against something that is non lethal, eps when there are two of you there with lethal weapons?

I have to watch the Wendy CCTV again but to me it looked as though the taser he had stolen was fired and the cop nearerst to him falls against a car. Has there been an enhanced version of the video yet?

On CNN last night they also had a guy state that tasers have ability to be fired more than once. I’ll need to double check that.