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How will schools be able to go back in September?

shoppergal

Just wondering if anyone can give any insight into how schools could safely re-open in September?

Everyone I'm talking to is saying they won't be back until September but in my head I'm wondering how they'll re-open even in September? The virus will still be there with a vaccine still months away at that stage.

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History Queen

Fringegirl wrote: »

Of course they were, that seems to be the teacher unions usual rhetoric, create obstacles rather than getting on with things the way a lot of people have been doing throughout the whole thing.

I really think they need a bit of a wake up call and realise that there will be no public sympathy or support for industrial action under the circumstances. They will not be helping their members long term and won't be doing them any favours, if teachers are happy with being on strike pay long term well that's up to them.

Majority of teachers just want to get back to normal and they equally don't want the public backlash that the unions seem to want to line them up for.

The purpose if a union is to protect its members. Teachers are entitled to a safeworking environment. Teachers don't get paid if they strike.

We want to work. We will work, but not without increased hygiene and cleaning protocols. This is not unreasonable. I struggle to see why people feel teachers and students should not have these basic things whenevery other facet of our society requires them? I accept social distancing won't work but other protocols could be implemented to increase the safety of all.

ldy4mxonucwsq6

khalessi wrote: »

So you didnt answer whether you agree with bending the rules and putting peoples health at risk to get what you want. Do you think it is ok?

Those people are being bullied if they are working in an environment that only protects their rights on paper.

It's literally the first word of my post.

thomasdylan

'No teacher will be required to do anything' was the quote from the ASTI a few months ago. It's just as well that other essential workers don't have the same attitude.

I feel sympathy for teachers over predicted grades. But their unions seem to have been more vocal than anyone else.

In the UK, schools stayed open with some teachers working for essential workers with no alternatives. Here, there were massive variations in the work being done and communication with students. One or two emails a week with no marking or other response is not enough. Criticising those teachers who do less than the minimum is not attacking the profession.

ldy4mxonucwsq6

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Secondary schools teachers union already on News at 1 saying this won't work for them , why should they be put at risk, and slamming Minister for Education !! By September the rest of the country will have been back at work 3 months at least! Teachers are their own worst enemy and I understand the attitude a lot of people have about them.

Generalising obviously isn't good but people will have very little patience with teachers at this stage, kids off school since 12 March, Leaving Cert cancelled......... there needs to be a "can do" attitude from teachers, not this constantly throwing obstacles in the way.......

Of course they were, that seems to be the teacher unions usual rhetoric, create obstacles rather than getting on with things the way a lot of people have been doing throughout the whole thing.

I really think they need a bit of a wake up call and realise that there will be no public sympathy or support for industrial action under the circumstances. They will not be helping their members long term and won't be doing them any favours, if teachers are happy with being on strike pay long term well that's up to them.

Majority of teachers just want to get back to normal and they equally don't want the public backlash that the unions seem to want to line them up for.

khalessi

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

No but its the reality and people are just getting on with it. NPHET and the government will never advise against social distancing.

We'll eventually hear, wear a mask if you can't distance and it's OK to hug your granny etc etc but they won't ever say social distancing has ended.

It will come to an end naturally as is human nature. Virtually zero community transmission now so the risk by the time schools open will be negligible, even if it was possible to open schools with social distancing (which it won't be) it would be purely an optical exercise.

If teachers want to wear PPE and distance that's the schools call but the kids have been mixing for weeks already.

So you didnt answer whether you agree with bending the rules and putting peoples health at risk to get what you want. Do you think it is ok?

Those people are being bullied if they are working in an environment that only protects their rights on paper.

History Queen

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Secondary schools teachers union already on News at 1 saying this won't work for them , why should they be put at risk, and slamming Minister for Education !! By September the rest of the country will have been back at work 3 months at least! Teachers are their own worst enemy and I understand the attitude a lot of people have about them.

Generalising obviously isn't good but people will have very little patience with teachers at this stage, kids off school since 12 March, Leaving Cert cancelled......... there needs to be a "can do" attitude from teachers, not this constantly throwing obstacles in the way.......

I'm a teacher and want schools open in September but I also want safety measures put in place. I accept the reasons why social distancing is problematic but do want as safe an environment as possible for both my colleagues and students. A firm commitment to increased hygiene and cleaning protocols in school woukd satisfy me as well as clear guidance in what to do if a child or staff member presents with symptoms. This has not been provided and the union is acting correctly in demanding safe (within reason) working conditions for their members.

Edit: Teachers WANTED the Leaving Cert to take place. We did not cancel it.

ldy4mxonucwsq6

khalessi wrote: »

That doesnt make it right?

So are you saying it is ok that rules been broken in these places and health being put at risk as long as services are provided? You are ok with that?

It isnt right anywhere.

No but its the reality and people are just getting on with it. NPHET and the government will never advise against social distancing.

We'll eventually hear, wear a mask if you can't distance and it's OK to hug your granny etc etc but they won't ever say social distancing has ended.

It will come to an end naturally as is human nature. Virtually zero community transmission now so the risk by the time schools open will be negligible, even if it was possible to open schools with social distancing (which it won't be) it would be purely an optical exercise.

If teachers want to wear PPE and distance that's the schools call but the kids have been mixing for weeks already.

iamwhoiam

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Secondary schools teachers union already on News at 1 saying this won't work for them , why should they be put at risk, and slamming Minister for Education !! By September the rest of the country will have been back at work 3 months at least! Teachers are their own worst enemy and I understand the attitude a lot of people have about them.

Generalising obviously isn't good but people will have very little patience with teachers at this stage, kids off school since 12 March, Leaving Cert cancelled......... there needs to be a "can do" attitude from teachers, not this constantly throwing obstacles in the way.......

Between the optimist and the pessimist the difference is droll . The optimist sees the donut and the pessimist sees the hole . !!!
The pessimism among some teachers is unbelievable

Purple Mountain

Chicoso wrote: »

They have to go back en-masse full-time

You can't give kids half an education, would be pointless

It didn't work, in my child's case anyway, from March to June.
I'd be keeping him back a year if this blended learning goes ahead in September.

History Queen

I'm accepting enough of not socially distancing in school once additional hygiene and cleaning protocols are adheared to.

khalessi

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

Because its not workable, plain and simple. There are plenty of workplaces open and doing business now where social distancing no longer exists bar on a procedural paper in case they are inspected.
.

That doesnt make it right?

So are you saying it is ok that rules been broken in these places and health being put at risk as long as services are provided? You are ok with that?

It isnt right anywhere.

Mongfinder General

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

I believe children are our future, teach them well and let them lead the way

Show them all the beauty they possess inside...

ldy4mxonucwsq6

downthemiddle wrote: »

Are teachers entitled to the same rights as employees of Woodies, McDonalds, Ikea, Penneys or members of the Dáil?
If social distancing protocols still apply in September why do you think schools should be the exception?

Because its not workable, plain and simple. There are plenty of workplaces open and doing business now where social distancing no longer exists bar on a procedural paper in case they are inspected.

By the end of next month adults will be told to wear masks when it's not possible to social distance e.g schools, transport etc. NPHET are NEVER going to come out and say OK lads no need to social distance any more, they just won't do that.

It will slide to the wayside naturally like it already has in a lot of places.

Quantum Erasure

I believe children are our future, teach them well and let them lead the way

downthemiddle

mullinr2 wrote: »

There will be one or two teachers in every school that will have problem with no social distancing. They will be backed by the unions and their fellow teachers. If they insist on no social distancing at schools, teachers will go on strike, mark my words.

Are teachers entitled to the same rights as employees of Woodies, McDonalds, Ikea, Penneys or members of the Dáil?
If social distancing protocols still apply in September why do you think schools should be the exception?

jimmytwotimes 2013

mullinr2 wrote: »

There will be one or two teachers in every school that will have problem with no social distancing. They will be backed by the unions and their fellow teachers. If they insist on no social distancing at schools, teachers will go on strike, mark my words.

If schools are the only workplace in Ireland not to observe social distancing then they'd have reason to strike.

Mrsmum

Deleted User wrote: »

Secondary schools teachers union already on News at 1 saying this won't work for them , why should they be put at risk, and slamming Minister for Education !! By September the rest of the country will have been back at work 3 months at least! Teachers are their own worst enemy and I understand the attitude a lot of people have about them.

Generalising obviously isn't good but people will have very little patience with teachers at this stage, kids off school since 12 March, Leaving Cert cancelled......... there needs to be a "can do" attitude from teachers, not this constantly throwing obstacles in the way.......

But surely it would mean more and not less work for teachers if all pupils do not go back to school as they will be in school every day albeit with smaller classes while having to set & correct online learning for children who are at home and also needing and paying for far more childcare for their own children than they would have needed heretofore.

khalessi

Deleted User wrote: »

Secondary schools teachers union already on News at 1 saying this won't work for them , why should they be put at risk, and slamming Minister for Education !! By September the rest of the country will have been back at work 3 months at least! Teachers are their own worst enemy and I understand the attitude a lot of people have about them. Generalising obviously isn't good but people will have very little patience with teachers if this prevents their kids going back to school and getting an education.

It is interesting looking at rest of Europe back to school but not properly, that Irish people dont care that all of Europe have instigated different types of precautions and yet here the Irish government are happy to thrown Irish kids and teachers to the wolves with no precautions or interest in providing guidelines for reopening.

No one knows where we will be in 3 months time, in a better situation or worse or similar. So we should have a plan for all situations instead the Irish government who promised guidance came out yesterday with no guidelines and put the blame on teachers if no reopening in September.

They have had months to come up with something and all they did was dodge responsibility, yet again. Education has been very badly handled by them and all it results in on here is the teachers being blamed not the Department.

Mrs OBumble

Insidious wrote: »

I never said that.....
any of it....
I'm happy for them to go back in as safe a manner as possible.. with social distancing. Maybe some online classes will be needed.. Maybe we'll have to keep helping with teaching our children at home. Maybe the classes will have to be split into 2 or 3 classes attending on different days.. I don't know whats best.. Just don't undo the good work we have done.. Don't ignore the social distancing advice and make it clear to people about wearing masks... As for a Vaccine being a rushed one like you say.. It doesn't mean it won't be a good safe vaccine.. There are a lot of people working on it... with endless bags of cash to get it done.. I have faith in their efforts and will get the vaccine when it's available.. Then life can get back to normal.

If we keep undereducating the kids, we won't have a future medical workforce, because not enough will learn enough for the jobs.

The kids are already swarming in estates with no social distancing happening. Let them do it in school ad well.

[Deleted User]

Secondary schools teachers union already on News at 1 saying this won't work for them , why should they be put at risk, and slamming Minister for Education !! By September the rest of the country will have been back at work 3 months at least! Teachers are their own worst enemy and I understand the attitude a lot of people have about them.

Generalising obviously isn't good but people will have very little patience with teachers at this stage, kids off school since 12 March, Leaving Cert cancelled......... there needs to be a "can do" attitude from teachers, not this constantly throwing obstacles in the way.......

mullinr2

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2058086386/1

Thread here on it.

Pretty much what I am saying.

Open them back and stop the whinging.

There will be one or two teachers in every school that will have problem with no social distancing. They will be backed by the unions and their fellow teachers. If they insist on no social distancing at schools, teachers will go on strike, mark my words.

Tokyo

LuasSimon wrote: »

If the teachers have their way the schools will never reopen ...,.. we are destroying young people’s lives and futures by giving into teachers looking for any reason not to work !

Mod: Quit it now with the 'all the teachers' rhetoric - you should have enough common sense to know that painting swathes of an organization with the same brush will not end well for you here.

Sammy2012

LuasSimon wrote: »

If the teachers have their way the schools will never reopen ...,.. we are destroying young people’s lives and futures by giving into teachers looking for any reason not to work !

Where have you seen that teachers don't want to work? Have you spoken to everyone of them? Any that I know are looking forward to going back to work and stopping this online teaching.

LuasSimon

If the teachers have their way the schools will never reopen ...,.. we are destroying young people’s lives and futures by giving into teachers looking for any reason not to work !

iamwhoiam

Insidious wrote: »

I never said that.....
any of it....
I'm happy for them to go back in as safe a manner as possible.. with social distancing. Maybe some online classes will be needed.. Maybe we'll have to keep helping with teaching our children at home. Maybe the classes will have to be split into 2 or 3 classes attending on different days.. I don't know whats best.. Just don't undo the good work we have done.. Don't ignore the social distancing advice and make it clear to people about wearing masks... As for a Vaccine being a rushed one like you say.. It doesn't mean it won't be a good safe vaccine.. There are a lot of people working on it... with endless bags of cash to get it done.. I have faith in their efforts and will get the vaccine when it's available.. Then life can get back to normal.

It would be a very unfair system if parents were expected to teach at home . Some parents have one child and stay at home . Some parents have four kids and need to work . Some parents have children in school and look after a child with special needs . Not everyone has the time to teach nor in fact the qualifications to educate .

Many parents work around school times and if the children are only in 2.5 days then many will lose their jobs
Its a fine line we have to tread but if the numbers are under control and contact tracing is in place I see no obstacles to them getting back as normal

uli84

Hahah, are you even serious? Why shouldn’t they go back to school? There are many more ilnesses as ‘deadly’ as this virus and noone is closing anything or changing anything over them, social distancing in school my ar*e

Jinglejangle69

Insidious wrote: »

I never said that.....
any of it....
I'm happy for them to go back in as safe a manner as possible.. with social distancing. Maybe some online classes will be needed.. Maybe we'll have to keep helping with teaching our children at home. Maybe the classes will have to be split into 2 or 3 classes attending on different days.. I don't know whats best.. Just don't undo the good work we have done.. Don't ignore the social distancing advice and make it clear to people about wearing masks... As for a Vaccine being a rushed one like you say.. It doesn't mean it won't be a good safe vaccine.. There are a lot of people working on it... with endless bags of cash to get it done.. I have faith in their efforts and will get the vaccine when it's available.. Then life can get back to normal.

There may never be a vaccine.

You want life to go on like this for something that severely affects mostly old people?

Protect the old and vulnerable.

Let life get back to normal for the majority.

Insidious

Cyrus wrote: »

You’re not happy for kids to go back to school even though all the science now points to it being low risk but happy to try out a rushed vaccine ?

Odd logic

I never said that.....
any of it....
I'm happy for them to go back in as safe a manner as possible.. with social distancing. Maybe some online classes will be needed.. Maybe we'll have to keep helping with teaching our children at home. Maybe the classes will have to be split into 2 or 3 classes attending on different days.. I don't know whats best.. Just don't undo the good work we have done.. Don't ignore the social distancing advice and make it clear to people about wearing masks... As for a Vaccine being a rushed one like you say.. It doesn't mean it won't be a good safe vaccine.. There are a lot of people working on it... with endless bags of cash to get it done.. I have faith in their efforts and will get the vaccine when it's available.. Then life can get back to normal.

Jinglejangle69

https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2058086386/1

Thread here on it.

Pretty much what I am saying.

Open them back and stop the whinging.

KerryConnor

My nephew is back in school in Australia for the last 5 weeks and there is no social distancing, its school as normal. Its going well no new outbreaks but they are enforcing strict quarentine . They didn't get half as much infection as we did but hopefully we ll be down to comparable rates by September. Would love to be able to go back fully but think we need strict quarentine for it to work properly .

History Queen wrote: »

What countries have opened schools fully with no social distancing or safety measures?