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How will schools be able to go back in September?

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Just wondering if anyone can give any insight into how schools could safely re-open in September?

Everyone I'm talking to is saying they won't be back until September but in my head I'm wondering how they'll re-open even in September? The virus will still be there with a vaccine still months away at that stage.

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iamwhoiam

[Deleted User] wrote: »

we have a good grip on it now! By the time schools get back most of us will have been back at work 3 months!! (in my case I worked throughout this).......but wait until you hear teachers through one obstacle after the other in the way of schools reopening...."we might catch Covid from the kids" etc etc.

In a country of 5 million people we have a miniscule amount of new cases now...... if this was any other virus it wouldn't even be mentioned. 95% of people who get Covid recover, most get mild symptoms. If you are vulnerable speak to your employer, otherwise get on with it and get schools fully open by September! We are the laggards of Europe now.

Absolutely . By the way I am all for them opening . ? Personally I think the should be going back beginning of August

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iamwhoiam wrote: »

September is two and a half months away . Lets not get our knickers in a twist just yet . Who know what Covid is doing by September and we could have a good grip on it by then .

we have a good grip on it now! By the time schools get back most of us will have been back at work 3 months!! (in my case I worked throughout this).......but wait until you hear teachers through one obstacle after the other in the way of schools reopening...."we might catch Covid from the kids" etc etc.

In a country of 5 million people we have a miniscule amount of new cases now...... if this was any other virus it wouldn't even be mentioned. 95% of people who get Covid recover, most get mild symptoms. If you are vulnerable speak to your employer, otherwise get on with it and get schools fully open by September! We are the laggards of Europe now.

History Queen

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/amp/1147170/

Read this link.

I have read it. It doesn't answer my question?

History Queen

Interesting outline of the position on schools in Belgium. Certainly not a full reopening.

https://onderwijs.vlaanderen.be/nl/heropstart-lessen-op-school-wie-waarom-hoe

Cyrus

Insidious wrote: »

Maybe you're right and I'm looking at this wrong... I just don't want to end up in another brutal lockdown because we didn't stay the course for that extra couple of months while waiting for a vaccine.. It looks pretty likely we'll have one by years end if the news stories are to be believed..

You’re not happy for kids to go back to school even though all the science now points to it being low risk but happy to try out a rushed vaccine ?

Odd logic

john123470

Insidious wrote: »

This may be the start of a new Government. I won’t forget and If they follow through on this… I’ll see them in the next election with the memory of the consequences of their decisions.

I don't think it really matters who is in government. Nobody gets into politics to make the world a better place - at least not without having a fat cat salary and pension attached.

Primary focus of all politicians here is me fein - then the general public. Tell people what they want to hear and shure you'll be grand out.

Clergy get bad press .. but i'd like to pick a few well educated clergy and give them some rein in the affairs of state. Not religious affairs but a say in decisions that affect everyday life, affordable housing, the homeless, severely under developed areas. At least, morality would get a hearing. What we elect on the merry go round every few years is quite depressing. A so called good politician is someone who gives You what You want. The cute whores and the brown envelopes haven't gone away y'know ..

As for the rona, we'll generally follow what the UK does because we can't think for ourselves. People here are still confused, 3 months in, whether wearing a mask is beneficial or no. Ffs.

And 3 months from now ? Well, who knows where we'll be next month .. never mind 3 months. If there is a 2nd wave, who can predict its severity. The Medical experts are at loggerheads with the politicians .. a lot of people think its ok to gather for mass protests w/out observing rules for distancing. And we have the likes of Scruffy on the radio waves to stoke any fire that starts

One is inclined to give up

Benimar

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/amp/1147170/

A plan is clearly outlined in here.

The article is actually entitled ‘A destination without a roadmap’

The roadmap is the plan, and there isn’t one.

Benimar

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Sorry what am I missing here?

People are moaning that schools will go back with social distancing and maybe a few days a week?

Or people are moaning the government said schools can open again fully in September?

That they will open fully in September with no Social Distance.

I haven’t heard ONE person saying kids shouldn’t go back for at least part of a week - teachers do 5 days, kid do 2 or 2.5

Sammy2012

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Noone has said that.

I just can't understand what people are whinging about.

I don't care whether you're a teacher or not.

I suppose some people are unhappy with the wait and see attitude! Schools will have to plan blindly. I however can understand why they havent issued guidelines as it 11 weeks away. Things are changing on a daily basis now. So theres no point saying what'll happen in 11 weeks.

History Queen

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Noone has said that.

I just can't understand what people are whinging about.

I don't care whether you're a teacher or not.

Going back with social distancing will behugely problematic as outlines by Joe McHugh and lead to only part time attendance. What many people are concerned about is that he has said his preference is for schools to open fully with no social distancing.

This, at the moment, is contrary to health advice. He also has made vague statements about more cleaning and hygiene adherence but no specifics on how this will happen and what funding will be made available to pay for same, this has led people to believe he just wants schools open with no additional safety measures. No other workplace is being asked to/allowed do this.

Those of us working in the education sector are used to vague promises of more details. Usually it results in nothing specific and schools are left fending for themselves. Most schools can't afford basic hygiene and heating provision without parental contributions as it stands.

Chicoso

TheValeyard wrote: »

They can move their fat ass to the other side of the room and listen to school principals who have their feet on the ground and see what they need to keep schools open and students as safe as reasonably possible.

The students are going to mingle once their in school

Anything else is just window dressing

Jinglejangle69

History Queen wrote: »

What countries have opened schools fully with no social distancing or safety measures?

https://www.rte.ie/amp/1147170/

Read this link.

Jinglejangle69

Benimar wrote: »

The problem isn’t saying schools should reopen fully (that IS a good thing). This problem is the ‘plan’ is to invest precisely zero resources and get teachers to ignore public health advice.

Baldrick would be ashamed of that plan!

https://www.rte.ie/amp/1147170/

A plan is clearly outlined in here.

History Queen

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

President Leo?

What plans?

Open the schools and be done with it, like they said.

Like most countries. Why does everything have to be turned into a big deal by people here.

Blame, moan, whinge.

What countries have opened schools fully with no social distancing or safety measures?

Jinglejangle69

Sammy2012 wrote: »

This is why social media is bad for ones mental health! All counties that are back have guidelines on place. They have a limit on numbers attending at any one time. They will also be closing soon for the summer holidays. France and Germany the end of June/first week of July. I don't know what their plans are for the next academic year however. But it's just us lazy Irish teachers who wont go to work!!!!

Noone has said that.

I just can't understand what people are whinging about.

I don't care whether you're a teacher or not.

_Kaiser_

Insidious wrote: »

Maybe you're right and I'm looking at this wrong... I just don't want to end up in another brutal lockdown because we didn't stay the course for that extra couple of months while waiting for a vaccine.. It looks pretty likely we'll have one by years end if the news stories are to be believed..

That's all speculation. It could be next year, or even never.

We have to get used to living alongside this virus, not hiding from it, and things must go on.

Kids will have been out of school for 6 months by September which is a big problem in itself and most parents can't return to work until they go back to school full time.

TheValeyard

Chicoso wrote: »

What can they do

Anything involving social distancing means more time and costs

They can move their fat ass to the other side of the room and listen to school principals who have their feet on the ground and see what they need to keep schools open and students as safe as reasonably possible.

Jinglejangle69

Benimar wrote: »

What countries sent kids and teachers back with no Social Distancing measures?

Sorry what am I missing here?

People are moaning that schools will go back with social distancing and maybe a few days a week?

Or people are moaning the government said schools can open again fully in September?

Sammy2012

Benimar wrote: »

What countries sent kids and teachers back with no Social Distancing measures?

This is why social media is bad for ones mental health! All counties that are back have guidelines on place. They have a limit on numbers attending at any one time. They will also be closing soon for the summer holidays. France and Germany the end of June/first week of July. I don't know what their plans are for the next academic year however. But it's just us lazy Irish teachers who wont go to work!!!!

Jinglejangle69

Sammy2012 wrote: »

Okay all countries are not back to school as normal. They have some kids in school for certain parts of the week but not all pupils together at one time.

I as a teacher will happily return to school at the end of August/September. I have no intention of going back in the summer. I have been working every day since school closed and I'm looking forward to this day two weeks when I can switch off and spend time with my own kids over the summer. Imagine that! Teachers have kids and lives of their own.

Eh that's what they said.

Back to school in September.

Benimar

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

President Leo?

What plans?

Open the schools and be done with it, like they said.

Like most countries. Why does everything have to be turned into a big deal by people here.

Blame, moan, whinge.

What countries sent kids and teachers back with no Social Distancing measures?

Sammy2012

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

President Leo?

What plans?

Open the schools and be done with it, like they said.

Like most countries. Why does everything have to be turned into a big deal by people here.

Blame, moan, whinge.

Okay all countries are not back to school as normal. They have some kids in school for certain parts of the week but not all pupils together at one time.

I as a teacher will happily return to school at the end of August/September. I have no intention of going back in the summer. I have been working every day since school closed and I'm looking forward to this day two weeks when I can switch off and spend time with my own kids over the summer. Imagine that! Teachers have kids and lives of their own.

Jinglejangle69

Boggles wrote: »

Most other countries have put their plan in action.

We are still planning for a plan based on hopes and feelings.

- President Leo.

President Leo?

What plans?

Open the schools and be done with it, like they said.

Like most countries. Why does everything have to be turned into a big deal by people here.

Blame, moan, whinge.

TheValeyard

JJJJNR wrote: »

The schools should be back at full capacity now and not September, and why September and not July or August. Are they waiting it out for a second spike or something, to continue to milk the system, they have had months sitting around all on full salaries and many schools not bothering with online classes because the board of education told them not to use zoom, thats the joke, no free thinking guys don't operate out of the curriculum or what the goberment tell ya! any excuse to hang up the phone and back on to the Instagram fitness profiles.

Oooh, I can taste the bitter lemons in this post.

Chicoso

TheValeyard wrote: »

This is true. Or it could be far worse, second, third wave, etc.

A plan should be in place. Time for the heads of the dept. Education to earn those big paychecks.

What can they do

Anything involving social distancing means more time and costs

Benimar

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

What is the problem here?

Government have said schools should reopen fully in September like most other countries.

Surely that's a good thing?

The problem isn’t saying schools should reopen fully (that IS a good thing). This problem is the ‘plan’ is to invest precisely zero resources and get teachers to ignore public health advice.

Baldrick would be ashamed of that plan!

JJJJNR

The schools should be back at full capacity now and not September, and why September and not July or August. Are they waiting it out for a second spike or something, to continue to milk the system, they have had months sitting around all on full salaries and many schools not bothering with online classes because the board of education told them not to use zoom, thats the joke, no free thinking guys don't operate out of the curriculum or what the goberment tell ya! any excuse to hang up the phone and back on to the Instagram fitness profiles.

TheValeyard

iamwhoiam wrote: »

September is two and a half months away . Lets not get our knickers in a twist just yet . Who know what Covid is doing by September and we could have a good grip on it by then .

This is true. Or it could be far worse, second, third wave, etc.

A plan should be in place. Time for the heads of the dept. Education to earn those big paychecks.

Boggles

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

What is the problem here?

Government have said schools should reopen fully in September like most other countries.

Surely that's a good thing?

Most other countries have put their plan in action.

We are still planning for a plan based on hopes and feelings.

We're going to come up with a solution that allows all kids to return to school at the end of August, early September as originally indicated.

- President Leo.

ax530

I think the only way is to to back to school fully in Sept. Playground opened here this week lot children running about having fun lovely to see. Parents keeping social distance.
Have seen tweets from health workers who say they worked with minimal social distances during peak of virus and as education is also an essential service teachers should do the same.
If parents are uncomfortable with kids in school there could have option keeping them home sometimes.