railer201 wrote: » Absence of proof isn't the same as proof of absence. There is strong evidence, proof to some that masks flattened the curve quickly and decisively in the Czech Republic, saving hundreds of lives in the process. Deaths per million Czech Republic = 31 Total deaths = 328 Deaths per million Irish Republic = 341 Total deaths = 1683
ceadaoin. wrote: » I've been using the surgical type masks 3 or 4 times before switching. Does this completely defeat the point of wearing one? They are only worn for the time it takes to do my shopping, 30 mins max, it comes off as soon as I'm outside and then it stays in the car in between uses. Obviously I don't touch the front of it and it sanitize my hands before and after putting it on and removing it. I figure its not like I'm definitely being exposed to high levels of virus like a healthcare professional would so reusing them is most likely fine.
yosemitesam1 wrote: » At best there's anecdotal evidence but that is even questionable as it involves comparing data from different countries with massive differences in culture, testing, climate etc without even having any definite idea of what stage these countries were in the outbreak when compared. If something's to be made mandatory there'd want to be proof. There's so much proof to implement mandatory mask wearing that another poster had to ramble on about circumcision to fill out their post...
Arrival wrote: » Slovakia is a better example again as they've a similar size population, but are more densely populated. Their results are much better again than Czechias
weldoninhio wrote: » And yet, without mandatory masks, the numbers continue to plummet. Facts, not feelings.
weldoninhio wrote: 3. No evidence that this would have made a screed of difference. Get over it.
Wibbs wrote: » It is my firm belief the major reason for the pushback against masks is almost entirely cultural. No matter what logic or evidence is produced fingers go into the ears.
Wibbs wrote: » So avoiding the question? And it appears you are saying PPE has little value. Again, except in certain settings, cos magic. On the one hand the anti mask types will claim that masks make people more lackadaisical and more likely to infect themselves and others through over confidence, on the other hand they make us all paranoid and fearful. Man these magic masks keep on giving. As for "normality". That's entirely culturally based and biased and shifts over time, often in response to health and disease changes in a culture. Masks are perfectly acceptable in many Asian cultures, who tend to have shorter flu and cold seasons, whatever next.. and weathered this pox way better. But oh god no, we in Ireland a) can't be trusted to know how to wear one, b) they're anathema to our culture/make me look stupid etc. Entirely cultural and no matter what evidence is offered will be resisted. That's 90% of the "argument". Even if tomorrow it was claimed that wearing face masks caused Asian men's willies to stop working, because of their culture not wearing one would still be resisted. Like Americans who rightly will say no to FGM, but are happy to take scalpels to their male baby's mickeys in celebration, yet don't see the irony. Culture an' that. Like I said before in the thread, individuals may be bright, or stupid,or average, the mob is almost always thick and slow to move, except in panic, or when they're told to move. I'd be willing to bet a large percentage of the same propellerheads that were stockpiling bog roll at the start of this would also resist masks, but would be fine with wearing mouldy gloves. Well gloves aren't "foreign".
railer201 wrote: » Absence of proof isn't the same as proof of absence. There is strong evidence, proof to some that masks speaking Czech flattened the curve quickly and decisively in the Czech Republic, saving hundreds of lives in the process. Deaths per million Czech Republic = 31 Total deaths = 328 Deaths per million Irish Republic = 341 Total deaths = 1683
Dubl07 wrote: » I wonder why the government is pondering sending masks to every household. Sense, not nonsense.
weldoninhio wrote: » See, you can prove anything when you don't need actual evidence to back it up.
odyssey06 wrote: » There's more mundane factors too. Masks are fiddly and awkward. You're talking to someone in a loud public place and you're talking through the mask to a stranger - can be difficult. If you have glasses, again awkward, need to fit the mask just right or steams up. Gloves are cheaper and less awkward, interfere less with what you are doing. People are used to wearing gloves in winter. So I think masks have more of an 'awkwardness' factor that has to be overcome and needs a bigger shift for acceptance.
yosemitesam1 wrote: » There's no proof to say that masks would make a significant difference to infection rates,
This can be done, if we all work together on the island. Several countries have already largely halted the virus, including South Korea, New Zealand, Australia, Austria, Greece, China and Iceland, by continuing public health measures, including the use of masks, active fast contact tracing and testing, and sensible restrictions on travel. All are now planned for both parts of this island, but they must be enhanced and coordinated - with the aim of achieving ambitious suppression targets.
Actions Needed Strongly advise people to wear masks in public, especially on public transport, and where there are other people around.
weldoninhio wrote: » I'd be willing to bet €50 to the winners charity that the govt won't be sending masks to every household. As they use facts, not feelings.
weldoninhio wrote: » Asian countries wear them because of the massive air pollution.
ednwireland wrote: » leo on the radio there saying if you wash your hands put the mask on and if you touch or have a smoke or eat you wash your hands and put a new mask on. those re-useing once use masks without cleaning them are risking infection from the mask. the reason its too late now is because we are down to so few cases although i do think they should be mandatory on public transport (apaprently drivers dont wear them either)
Seanergy wrote: » It's never too late and now might be a particulary good time with the virus in low circualtion for people to adjust to wearing masks. Safer to to this now with virus in low circualtion than when the heavens open up.
Seanergy wrote: » What programme was this please? How's Leo suggesting people clean once use masks anyway? We could be 4+weeks away from Mandatory at this rate. It's never too late and now might be a particulary good time with the virus in low circualtion for people to adjust to wearing masks. Safer to to this now with virus in low circualtion than when the heavens open up.
Mr Varadkar told RTE 2FM on Wednesday: “We recommend people wear them on public transport or shops but it is not an alternative to hand washing and hygiene measures. Masks are not a magic shield – it is not an alternative to the measures. “It is really important that people wear masks correctly so we’re going to step up the information campaign around that. We are forever seeing people being interviewed wearing the mask around their neck – that is exactly what you do not do. “You wash your hands, put on the mask which covers your nose and mouth, and if you need to take it off to eat or smoke, you take off the mask and you don’t put it back on again. “You need to wash your hands and put on a new clean mask, so we have a job, work to do around the dos and don’ts of wearing a mask. "If you don't do it correctly it is not beneficial, it is potentially harmful.
Boggles wrote: » The same bet amount for charity, but face coverings / masks will be mandatory on public transport. Didn't you say you use public transport several times a day?
dundalkfc10 wrote: » Will the govt be providing them. Im out enough money paying sky high rent, having work from home with 2 kids running around, to be worrying about another expense
ednwireland wrote: » sorry that was my brain mixing things up !https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/information-campaign-on-face-masks-to-be-stepped-up-taoiseach-1004401.html
To take it off properly:remove it from behind - do not touch the front of the mask do not touch your eyes, nose, and mouth clean your hands properly put disposable masks in a bin straight away
We are forever seeing people being interviewed wearing the mask around their neck – that is exactly what you do not do.
