Masks

They want us to cough and sneeze into tissues. Felt a sneeze coming on (at home) and just about reached the box of tissues in time to grab a tissue.

The return to work document talks about tissues, but customers might not be so quick to grab a tissue outside of their home.

I know it's like a brick wall here, but isn't masks the obvious answer?

RobbingBandit

20 pack of disposable masks in Dunnes Stores for €15 they are rediculously small and very poor quality steer clear of them

drunkmonkey

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

They want us to cough and sneeze into tissues. Felt a sneeze coming on (at home) and just about reached the box of tissues in time to grab a tissue.

The return to work document talks about tissues, but customers might not be so quick to grab a tissue outside of their home.

I know it's like a brick wall here, but isn't masks the obvious answer?

There’s a nifty little sneeze catcher for such situations, it’s located between your shoulder and wrist. It’s also eco friendly and comes with a free lifetime warranty.

drunkmonkey wrote: »

There’s a nifty little sneeze catcher for such situations, it’s located between your shoulder and wrist. It’s also eco friendly and comes with a free lifetime warranty.

Great advice lets all walk around with live droplets on our sleeves, might aswell stick you tissue to your arm instead of putting it in the bin.

I've saw one person use their sleeve to catch sneeze's in a supermarket and then cradle the shopping basket handles into the droplets.

Brilliant advice from the HSE and the WHO.

Did you know that sneeze pocket's were adapted by the WHO and the CDC in the 1990's and neither of them know where the advice came from, FACT. Up until then advice was to sneeze into your hands.

drunkmonkey

What’s your plan when there’s no tissue around? Facemask?

Covid-19 claims lives of 31 kidney patients with infections falling after masks introduced

drunkmonkey wrote: »

There’s a nifty little sneeze catcher for such situations, it’s located between your shoulder and wrist. It’s also eco friendly and comes with a free lifetime warranty.

I was coming out of the shower, I didn't have a sleeve to catch the sneeze. So using a tissue made sense.

I'm just pointing out that having businesses providing tissues where people might not be so quick to grab a tissue seems pointless.

Boggles

It said that the number of kidney patients contracting Covid-19 was "rising significantly" by around 20 patients a week during March and early

April and, in response, it secured masks for all haemodialysis patients which were distributed during the second week of April.

The association then saw the number of infections among its patients fall by 50% (10 new patients per week) during the last two weeks of April, and 80% by early May (four new patients in first week of May).

No coronavirus deaths in dialysis or kidney transplant patients have been reported since May 16

But yeah, sneeze into your sleeve.

drunkmonkey wrote: »

What’s your plan when there’s no tissue around? Facemask?

The plan is to have a facemask on from the start, not to be caught looking for tissues when the sneeze or cough come on! Supplying tissues at work instead of wearing a mask is a weak measure.

Tissue culture and sneeze pocket culture only address 2 modes of spread, coughing and sneezing, ignoring the third mode of spread, talking. Covid-19 droplets are spread through talking aswell as coughing and sneezing. That's 3 modes of spread. Also, as I have pointed out in my previous post, pocket sneezing creates a new fomite risk that is not being spoken of.

Talking as a form of spread is cited in the return to work literature and well known by the HSE who have choosen to omit informing the general public about this mode of transmission for the past 12 weeks.

Also supplying tissues at work does nothing to reduce the inhalation of virus droplets.

It's really simple, just wear a mask, don't be left hanging for a tissue.

deathbomber

I see rte website are running an article on Irish designers making great masks, some donating 10 - 15% to charity, however they are all more than likely clearing a good 20 euro profit per mask, obviously it takes time to make them but still a bit of a piss take

cnocbui

I went shopping today, and people have pretty much stopped wearing masks. I saw one old lady I think, and that was it. Last week there were droves.

RobbingBandit

deathbomber wrote: »

I see rte website are running an article on Irish designers making great masks, some donating 10 - 15% to charity, however they are all more than likely clearing a good 20 euro profit per mask, obviously it takes time to make them but still a bit of a piss take

Fashion statement masks will soon be upon us, well not me I don't conform.

brendanwalsh

I love wearing the masks.

Really can’t understand why people are so anti masks but they are probably the same people claiming it’s just a flu and it was caused by 5g.

Honestly wish a few celebrities or politicians wore masks to remove the bizarre stigma some people have attached to it. Almost every other country in the world is making mandatory mask use. Even the rioters and protesters in the USA are wearing masks !

moonage

brendanwalsh wrote: »

Even the rioters and protesters in the USA are wearing masks !

For obvious reasons.

They're telling us to leave masks for the health workers and to wear face coverings... Am I being selfish if I buy them in the pound shop? Surely health care staff should have their masks provided for them and shouldn't be buying them in the pound shop.

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

They're telling us to leave masks for the health workers and to wear face coverings... Am I being selfish if I buy them in the pound shop? Surely health care staff should have their masks provided for them and shouldn't be buying them in the pound shop.

I don't view it as them telling us rather it is them asking us.

It is not selfish to buy a mask to protect yourself. This aspect of the ask to leave medical grade masks for HCW's by the Irish government has had very little debate both in the media and on this thread.

If the general public decide not to buy medical grade masks, it is their choice, a choice which leaves them more vulnerable and less protected. A choice which means they could not only contract the virus but spread the virus. The general public do not legally or morally have to leave HQ respirators 4 HCW's.

There is no quality of evidence to say that 5-10 surgical masks bought and reused on a cycle by a person in the GP is less economic than a HCW worker wearing and disposing of same volume of masks. That debate is still to happen.

The WHO started the trend of protecting supply because they are responsible for a huge workforce spread out over a logictically large area, the earth. The WHO were nervous of repsirator supply and higher grade masks from 2nd week of feb not surgical masks.

With demand out stripping supply on N95's surgical masks soon came under the umbrella of masks the general public should not be buying and should be leaving for HCW's.

China make 73 billion surgical masks a year, I don't know other figures but I would hazard a guess that it's roughly 85% of production, so lets say the world makes 100 billion surgical masks a year. Current world population is 8 bill, so yeah that's 10 surgical masks per person per year. Other wise you might be taking someone else's mask.

Hence why we need to be making our own masks, I don't just mean the GP making facecoverings I mean the State/country making surgical masks along with personalised braces. Surgical masks make alot more efficent use of melt blown poly than N95's.

I asked the LateLate show to do a fundraiser for a homegrown mask factory but to no avail. That's the sort of direction we need to be going in and sooner rather than too later. Serious need to ramp up home production. But sure the lads can't even form a government, it's what a generous 100+ days and starting to seriously look like another election is coming.

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

They're telling us to leave masks for the health workers and to wear face coverings... Am I being selfish if I buy them in the pound shop? Surely health care staff should have their masks provided for them and shouldn't be buying them in the pound shop.

if they are of any quality (doubtful) then that shops supplier should be selling them to health care organistaions.

NotMOL

expectationlost wrote: »

if they are of any quality (doubtful) then that shops supplier should be selling them to health care organistaions.

Shops are getting them shipped from China....

NotMOL

The UK has now made masks mandatory on public transport

NotMOL wrote: »

The UK has now made masks mandatory on public transport

What is wrong with us? Only if we want to.

NotMOL wrote: »

Shops are getting them shipped from China....

well they would be the ultimate supplier

NotMOL wrote: »

The UK has now made masks mandatory on public transport

do they have enough masks for all those who need to work and travel on public transport?

NotMOL

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

What is wrong with us? Only if we want to.

I suspect we will do the same because a few weeks ago when the UK suggested that people should try and wear masks when possible we then made a similar announcement a few days later

Boggles

dfx- wrote: »

Come on Wibbs. That doesn't help.

It's not about being magical schrodinger masks. It's based on length of exposure for a key worker working all day with people at a checkout or bus driver and someone going to the shops for ten minutes.

There are virologists advising the government, actual experts. The Deputy CMO is a specialist in pandemics for 25 years. If you're not prepared to take the advice of virologists and experts in epidemiology in a pandemic, based on some cynicism towards "experts", then all relevance on your points are lost.

I suppose they should just shoot from the hip based on a unqualified hunch. Take advice from the downing street cat maybe.:rolleyes:

Boggles wrote: »

I guarantee you, in the not too distant future you will have another of Boris's advisors explaining to the British public that if they are caught on the tube without a mask they will be issued a fine.

Feel free to bookmark this post.

The reason the UK are experiencing 1000+ deaths a day and have collapsed large swathes of their emergency medical care is because their "scientists" diluted science with politics.

It never ever works.

dfx- wrote: »

Two and a half weeks later now, he's starting on 'encouraging people to work' and not yet on mask fines.

Face masks will be made compulsory on all public transport in England from June 15, the Transport Secretary has said.

Travel operators could refuse to admit passengers if they are not covering their face from next week, Grant Shapps added.

He said the new rules will come under the National Rail conditions of travel, and the Public Service Vehicle Accessibility Regulations for buses, meaning British Transport Police could impose fines if people do not comply.

Took a while, but hardly surprising since their method has been "kill everyone quickly".

50,000 facecoverings made and being worn nationwide thanks to volunteers.

Some of us joke that wearing a mask hides the tears, well I'm crying now. Really warming to have people like this acting out of love.

Well done all involved @Masks4allIre

https://twitter.com/Masks4allIre/status/1268534728468160512

NotMOL wrote: »

I suspect we will do the same because a few weeks ago when the UK suggested that people should try and wear masks when possible we then made a similar announcement a few days later

Was thinking the same, we seem to copy the UK. It can only be a good thing if it happened here, so who knows.

Seanergy wrote: »

50,000 facecoverings made and being worn nationwide thanks to volunteers.

Some of us joke that wearing a mask hides the tears, well I'm crying now. Really warming to have people like this acting out of love.

Well done all involved @Masks4allIre

https://twitter.com/Masks4allIre/status/1268534728468160512

whats their quality?

expectationlost wrote: »

whats their quality?

Better than having a tissue in your pocket

https://twitter.com/jksmith34/status/1268621615316627457