Hubertj wrote: » unions will, as usual, make things far more difficult than they need to be. Decisions should be made by health experts, guidance given to dept of education and that guidance put into action. Not sure why the unions are being so vocal. Likely they will look for more money or some nonsense like that. Just get back to work like EVERY OTHER COUNTRY IN EUROPE.
Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: » I'm guessing they are hoping it won't be necessary. Guidelines should be issued shortly but those will be subject to change, and they are just that, guidelines. Schools are due to reopen end of August so anything that's required will need to be in place well before then. I got an email last week saying that the summer camps here are going ahead end of July with some adjustments, I just assumed it would be cancelled but seems like things are adapting.
s1ippy wrote: » As yet, no department officials being sent to measure classrooms, no facilities being improved, no added funding for the principals to do it.
downthemiddle wrote: » So you agree that teachers, and school authorities, are correct to be very concerned about reopening as their safety, and the safety of the children, won't be taken seriously. I'm glad we cleared that up.
mcsean2163 wrote: » I see no teachers volunteering and we have been getting one blog a week I do with my daughter.
mcsean2163 wrote: » Hospitals open Nursing homes open Police open Supermarkets open DIY stores open Schools closed.
mcsean2163 wrote: » There is no veil. I see no teachers volunteering and we have been getting one blog a week I do with my daughter. A friend who is a secondary teacher thinks it is ridiculous. I know there are a lot of good teachers out there but also fear a lot of others are very happy to take the time out. Friend in Chicago's child of same age was given an ipad and has a detailed schedule of work for everyday. The work has to be submitted each day and is corrected. Here, a blog a week.Some Captain Controversy who is sick of the kids whittling nonsense on the internet doesn't change that actual hard fact. Look you're right, this is a stupid place to come. You've been rude and insulting, You are not offering constructive criticism and I'm wasting my time responding to your insults.
Boggles wrote: » Didn't take long for veil to slip. :rolleyes: No I am not a teacher. I am someone who understands if we need to go into "lockdown" again, that is where the real social and economic hardship will kick in, not hibernation but a full on economic crash with real job losses and all the associate ills that will come with it. Some Captain Controversy who is sick of the kids whittling nonsense on the internet doesn't change that actual hard fact. It's been done to death, don't be boring for God sake.
mcsean2163 wrote: » Thanks Khalessi. My daughter goes to a Deis school in Dublin 8 where there are 20 in the class. Even if she did a day a week, it would be of enormous benefit. There could be 5 per class 4 days a week. I'd teach myself if I was allowed to bring the two other children under 5. We are probably the only family in Ireland still abiding by the social distancing rules and my daughter is upset. "Why are they with their friends and I am not?". Everyday unfairness, a government that doesn't give a toss about children and nothing happening etc. My wife is a hospital worker so, yeah, I know about the useless PPE that frontline workers had to use when treating patients and the huge hospital infection rate.Hospitals open Nursing homes open Police open Supermarkets open DIY stores open Schools closed. Since when are schools not essential? Surely under 40s could run a skeleton service. Not allowing children to play together (government) is just mean in light of recent evidence and closing the schools...?
khalessi wrote: » Like yourself every teacher here would like to go back to normal, but it will be a new normal and schools will not be receiving guidance from Dept of Ed for another few days possibly Friday(they like Fridays, perhaps they are Cure fans) but more than likely next week, but here is their contact details for any questions or advice you can offer.https://www.education.ie/en/contact-us/
mcsean2163 wrote: » You on the other hand seem to be very dismissive of what I consider a reasonable attempt to reopen. It makes me wonder if you are a teacher on permanent vacation?
mcsean2163 wrote: » If I got infected, I wouldn't directly infect a vulnerable person cocooning or in a nursing home.
mcsean2163 wrote: » Your logic seems to be shut everything down forever because some people could die?
mcsean2163 wrote: » In Ireland we had a thing called flatten the curve to ensure that hospitals are not overrun. Job done... a month ago.
Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: » Out of interest only 300 positive cases were found (out of 10 million tested) with no infections among 1,174 close contacts of the people who tested positive, suggesting they were not spreading the virus easily to others.
Boggles wrote: » I'm not calling "facts" nonsense, I'm calling your false equivalency nonsense. Car accidents are not contagious. You are not "locked" up stop with the hyperbole. Good for you, but if you get infected statistically you will be responsible for infecting someone else. So we are not just dealing with you and your wants anymore are we? No idea what that means.
Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: » It's the fact that the precedent has been set, 200 complaints where someone felt the guidelines were being breached and nothing done about it. Places are not being closed down, they aren't even being inspected. Employers will be allowed to more or less do what they like and it will be a case of put up and shut up for workers.
Dublingirl80 wrote: » I would be very surprised if 30 people in a small room with no distance was allowed. The complaints weren't necessarily for that. I think we just have to see what the situation is like by August as far as numbers go.
Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: » Actually very unlikely, the HSA has received over 200 complaints, and not a single one of the 200 workplaces allegedly breaching Covid-19 guidelines were inspected. That's now, phase 1 where there's a limited number of places open. Don't know how they'll enforce anything when everywhere is open. Obviously some staff aren't happy that the guidelines aren't being adhered to, and their concerns have not been taken seriously. Wuhan factory workers being tested (they have tested 10m+ of the population in Wuhan) just an example of how fast social distancing is forgotten about post lockdown. Out of interest only 300 positive cases were found (out of 10 million tested) with no infections among 1,174 close contacts of the people who tested positive, suggesting they were not spreading the virus easily to others.
mcsean2163 wrote: » I'm not sure why you are calling statistical facts nonsense.
mcsean2163 wrote: » Maybe you can explain why we should lock up a cohort of people that are not at risk?
mcsean2163 wrote: » FWIW, I'm over 40 and would gladly take my chances to go back to normal.
mcsean2163 wrote: » I don't become a statistic but at least if I ended up in hospital the curve has been flattened.
Dublingirl80 wrote: » If your job currently had 30 people in a small room it would be shut down for health and safety reasons.
Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: » I'm the same, I'd typically come into contact with about 40-50 people through work each day. That's approx 250 different people on an average week. That's nothing compared to the numbers that supermarket workers must encounter but its still a large amount of people in close quarters, enough to make my contact list a nightmare if someone had to do contact tracing on me. Where I work there's been a few changes around hygiene, hand sanitiser, PPE, temperature checks and some minor measures have been taken to maximise the available space and minimise any unnecessary contact. I can think of hundreds of occupations where this would also be the case and there are thousands of people returning to work every week now. It is a risk but personally I feel I'm OK with it, the fear of the virus goes away very fast once you're interacting with so many people on a daily basis, my other option is to find myself unemployed so I just have to get on with it.
mcsean2163 wrote: » You used the same old tired nonsense of X die from this, therefore once in a generation global pandemic can't be bad. I'm not sure why you are calling statistical facts nonsense. From Italy, under 40's virtually no problem, same applies in Sweden. Maybe you can explain why we should lock up a cohort of people that are not at risk? FWIW, I'm over 40 and would gladly take my chances to go back to normal. Hopefully I don't become a statistic but at least if I ended up in hospital the curve has been flattened.
Boggles wrote: » I must have missed that. 40 years or below working in schools is unworkable. You used the same old tired nonsense of X die from this, therefore once in a generation global pandemic can't be bad. It's been done to death, it's boring and it shows a complete lack of intelligence towards an unprecedented situation. Be a good parent and a good human, follow the restrictions. For everone's sake.
mcsean2163 wrote: » Surely the schools could be run by the staff that are age 40 and below with anyone immuno-compromised excused? Those above 40 could decide for themselves whether they were at risk or not and decide to return or not.
