Kermit.de.frog wrote: » I told you this would happen and it is just the start for countries that fail to gain control of the virus transmission. Sweden excluded from Nordic border openinghttps://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/29/norway-and-denmark-drop-mutual-border-controls-but-exclude-sweden-coronavirus
Sweden’s economy actually grew in the first quarter after it opted against a full virus lockdown Published Fri, May 29 The Nordic country’s statistics office reported gross domestic product (GDP), the broadest measure of economic health, grew at an annual rate of 0.4% in the first quarter.
cnocbui wrote: » https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/29/coronavirus-swedens-gdp-actually-grew-in-the-first-quarter.html
fisgon wrote: » Also in this article is the sentence..... "The National Institute of Economic Research, a respected think tank, said in a statement published April 29 that it believed Sweden’s economy would shrink 7% this year."
cnocbui wrote: » The prognostications of supposed experts are always interesting, but as the data reported on shows, nothing quite beats the real thing. The sale of new houses in the US in April, actually increased by 0.6%, when economics experts were predicting a roughly 21% decline. If Sweden's unemployment rate doesn't increase significantly, as is likely in some lockdown countries, then they will very likely recover much faster, should that 7% decline happen.
cnocbui wrote: » You are trying too hard.
GreeBo wrote: » Thanks, that's exactly what I suspected and was asking. In which case, herd immunity is potentially meaningless.
dontparkhere wrote: » https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/ Is Sweden really fairing as badly as people make out? In deaths per million they don’t seem out of line with other countries (418 Sweden vs 337 Ireland vs 569 Uk). They have recorded their first day with zero deaths. All the antibody tests are quoted as the end of April which is over 5 weeks ago. While they haven’t achieved herd immunity as anticipated, I can only assume they have higher levels of immunity. By the time we have a similar immunity level, be that by vaccination or infection, will we be any better off? There are still no medicines or vaccines in the immediate future. In reality we can’t stay in lockdown forever. Maybe they will be on the wrong side but they are not drastically out of line with other countries and have shown an alternative path.
charlie14 wrote: » Short answer. Yes they are fairing badly. For comparing on like for like with their neighbours Norway and Finland whose combined population is that of Sweden. Total deaths for both 556. For Sweden 4,395. Even if you compare Ireland to Sweden, Few weeks ago deaths per million were similar. Now Sweden`s is 30% greater and that gap widening daily. Sweden are more than likely to shortly replace France for deaths per million to become the 5th. highest in Europe. Their antibody testing included the period Sweden said was their peak and only showed around 5% nationally. Same as Spain and France who used lockdown. Spain`s epicenter, Madrid tested nearly twice that of Stockholm. Sweden are nowhere near herd immunity which even conservatively would need to be in the 60%-70% range nationally. Sunday numbers mean nothing for Sweden due to how they record weekend deaths.
paddar wrote: » Yup, also there were 6 deaths reported later on Sunday after the official statement from the health agency reporting 0 deaths. I have attached a screen shot from a morning news program on Sunday discussing the weekly death figures in comparison to the other Nordic countries. I don't think you need to understand Swedish just to see the impact of the different approaches on the death rates.
On Monday, a message landed in the inbox of all 1st grade students at Roskilde Cathedral School: They must stay home for the next 14 days and receive home schooling instead of attending. The reason is - in all likelihood - a small trip to Sweden
MOH wrote: » This entire thread seems to be ignoring the fact that Sweden not in lockdown, vs Ireland in "lockdown", aren't exactly polar opposites. Swedes seem to have a bit of cop on. Ireland was tweeting "closethepubs" while people were standing on top of each other in supermarkets for a week after all the pubs shut. We haven't even had anything remotely resembling the lockdown most countries have had. There's been regular parties in my apartment complex since Easter. There's pubs in Dublin selling "takeaway" beer in open plastic glasses that people are lashing into beside the pub. I can't find much media coverage of hundreds of Swedes in close proximity holding a solidarity march in the middle of Stockholm today. There's pretty much zero argument against the fact that by any measure, to date, Sweden has fared worse than us so far. But this is still the start of the long haul. We're pretty much still where we were in March, but most of the population seems to think it's all over now. Good luck to anyone trying to roll things back when the second wave hits.
STB. wrote: » YES. They are. Their rolling 7 day deaths are double anyone else. They stand out like a sore thumb. Its the 3rd week in a row. I am surprised Tegnell still has a job for his mindless pursuit of herd immunity. So many have needlessly died. The antibody tests are as reported on 20 May. Its 7.3%. Even if herd immunity was a runner (which is unproven) 7.3% is feck all use. It is also not a vacine. So, you most certainly CANNOT assume they have higher levels of immunity. Eitherway, Tegnell has rightly fúcked over the Swedish people. Any posters here were supporting this approach.
paddar wrote: » Interesting you mention Tegnell, here he is after the Health Agency update yesterday. https://tt.omni.se/tegnell-minskningen-har-stannat-av/a/kJ7olL ''In spite of the message that the reduction in the number of cases has stopped, Anders Tegnell is hopeful that the spread will slow down this summer. There are two factors we know are important. Partly the summer weather, which we know is good, makes the virus less stable, he says and continues: And then, especially in Stockholm, there are so many that are immune thus the spread of the virus decreases quite drastically.'' Where is a [Citation Needed] bracket when you need one? I also think the journalists are partly to blame for letting them away with it and not questioning why their strategy is not working. They have been repeating the same mantra since the end of March. Also it not the virus its the statisticians that are wronghttps://www.expressen.se/nyheter/coronaviruset/sverige-toppar-dodslista-tegnell-inte-jamforbart/ ''Sweden is at the top if you look at the number of deaths in covid-19 seen in the population, but according to state epidemiologist Anders Tegnell, the figures are not comparable, Expressen writes. According to Tegnell, the problem is that those who do the statistics are probably looking at the number of individual deaths per day. One should look at the ongoing seven-day average, and one should look at it quite far back in time for stability''
Nermal wrote: » https://twitter.com/boriquagato/status/1267830876823384065
callmehal wrote: » Sweden's government have a lot to answer for. Their strategy has been disastrous. Their deaths per million makes for awful reading. Same for other basket cases like the UK. Then you look at our deaths per million, worse than the USA. Even if that's not fully accurate, it shows our government have been very poor too.
