Conelan wrote: » Schools don't have to justify anything, they are instructed to remain closed until told otherwise. There is no school making a decision on their own and having to justify anything. You do understand that I guess.
FishOnABike wrote: » https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/coronavirus-france-school-cases-reopen-lockdown-a9520386.html. 70 cases of CoViD-19 linked to schools only days after reopening in France causing a number of schools to be closed again. This is in the 'green areas' which have a lower rate of CoViD-19 and classes limited to 15 students. Those pushing for schools to reopen soon because other countries in Europe are doing it so why can't we, need to realise that their reopening was a restricted reopening with approx 30% of students returning and has still lead to schools having to be closed again within days. When schools reopen here it will have to be very different to how they operated up to now.
Benimar wrote: » If Social Distancing is in place in September (which I believe it will be) there is no chance of Schools ignoring it. If individual people want to go against advice thats on them. Schools won't want to expose themselves to issues if there is a spike and they have ignored SD.
marilynrr wrote: » It's all very well having social distancing in place but if the building is not equipped to deal with it then it will be ignored. They will follow the rules they can follow and have to ignore the rules/guidelines they cannot. School buildings are not equipped to be spread out like that, and then there's 100s of students are heading from classroom to classroom and mixing with other people in their year every 45 minutes. Then there are the school buses, social distancing will not be possible! and it's even worse on the buses because they normally service a few schools. There isn't enough buses or drivers around to cope with social distancing for schools......and even if there was would the department of education source buses only for students with the bus pass, my son goes on a private bus, it was hard enough for the parents to arrange that! There's no realistic way to implement social distancing in schools so they will just have to open regardless!
timmy_mallet wrote: » The government, the CMO, the HSE, the Dep. of Ed. will have themselves in a complete cover-their-ar$e-muddle over this, that there will be no school in Ireland for the foreseeable future. I mean, its still 2 months from the proposed Leaving Cert exam dates, and just look at that fiasco. Not one of the stakeholders in this is willing to take the risk. We can forget it about. Prepare yerselves for home-schooling. I am.
jrosen wrote: » Ive already sent my opinions to my local TD's, emailed the minister for education also. I had my 2nd year crying this morning because he could not figure out his math. There has been NO on line teaching. He has had about 5 zoom classes in all since they broke up in March. Now there is a steady stream of work coming in but he has had no teaching time. Now unless something drastic changes over the summer and somehow Irish schools figure out how to fully engage and teach remotely then there is no doubt this is going to have a detrimental impact on students education.
average_runner wrote: » Thats not true, my dad got tested on Tuesday and results were in today. All good, Took my brother two days to his results also. Results are coming through alot quicker now. If it was taking two weeks, heads would be rolling by now
mirrorwall14 wrote: » Just on the maths, triple check he has actually contacted his teacher to say this. If the teacher doesn’t know they can’t help. I prerecord me doing all my classes with me recording all the examples etc. I can’t do live because I have two children to mind here but I’m available for emails and I record answers to their questions when I can and send them back etc. However, based on the work I was receiving and the comments I was getting about it being very hard I ran a test via loom. Only 1/3 of the class was actually bothering to watch the corrections or demonstrations. They were just having a bash at it and telling me it was too hard. The standard of work went right up and their stress down after they were pulled up on doing that. Not suggesting that’s going on here but definitely get communication open with the teacher if you can
Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: » Been discussed before, most of those cases were infected before the schools reopened.https://fullfact.org/health/france-school-coronavirus Reopening schools has not led to significant increase in cases.https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/18/french-minister-tells-of-risks-of-missing-school-as-more-pupils-return-covid-19
FishOnABike wrote: » It doesn't really change the point I was trying to make - schools on the continent are being opened on a restricted basis and some have still had to close due to CoViD-19 cases being detected. A level comparable to their restricted opening would be a bigger step for us as it would be further away from our normal school routine than theirs. When we do reopen schools there needs to be clear guidelines on how to respond if there are any CoViD-19 cases detected in a school. In a large school it could happen several times unless we eliminate the virus completely, and I don't think eliminating it completely is very likely. The article does say "Given that the incubation period for the virus is several days, people are “likely” to have been infected before the reopening of the schools" It's a bit early for another week or so to judge the extent, if any, of any onward viral transmission in the schools where cases occurred.
iamwhoiam wrote: » I genuinely don’t understand how the Minister doesn’t get that a big percentage of parents cannot stay at home a few days a week . If the economy is open and people are back in work there will be many parents unable to stay home during school hours . He talks about a two or three day week with online teaching etc , which in a ideal world might work but its not always feasible for working parents including teachers
FishOnABike wrote: » It doesn't really change the point I was trying to make - schools on the continent are being opened on a restricted basis and some have still had to close due to CoViD-19 cases being detected.
marilynrr wrote: » Schools can't operate on a restricted basis forever though. The world was kind of in shock when this started taking hold in Europe and especially with what was going on in Italy so it was easy enough to get people to go along with lockdowns and shutdowns! There's no way at all that the Irish government would have been able to impose a lockdown on the citizens except for it had been already implemented in other countries. It was easy in Ireland because many people were actually crying out for a lockdown demanding the government do it. I know many businesses who closed even before they were forced to. The government was only ever going to get one shot at a strict lockdown, we can see now that a lot of people have already had enough of it and are going back to normal life. Most businesses will be back by the time school is back, people won't accept another lockdown. They just won't. Business owners who have struggled through are not going to accept another lockdown coming up to the Christmas season..so most things are going to be back up and running with the exception of maybe pubs or events with large numbers of people. We can't have a situation where the rest of society is allowed to go on as normal (with some social distancing and extra hygiene etc.) but that kids are not allowed to go to school!! especially when we are being told that they're not even a huge part of the problem!!
kandr10 wrote: » But on the other hand, why should you have a situation where ‘therest of society is allowed to go on as normal with some social distancing and extra hygiene etc’ But these simple measures aren’t in place in schools? If it was the case that social distancing had been gotten rid of entirely by September, I’d be saying absolutely no need for it in school. But if it’s a part of how businesses reopen then it has to be part of schools reopening too.
marilynrr wrote: » By September social distancing is not expected (going by the guidelines for reopening) to be the same as it is now. Society will have reopened with some social distancing but not nearly as strict as they have been. It will be possible to run most businesses while implementing some kind of softer social distancing controls than we have now. Some businesses may not run at full capacity or may be down profits because of that etc, but they will still be able to open. It won't be possible to implement it in schools because it's a building where X amount of people have to be there at the same time in rooms that are not big enough to ensure 2m distancing....but they should implement whatever measures that they can actually implement such as extra hygiene.
kandr10 wrote: » I understand that it may be softer in terms of how strict they advise us to be with regards social distancing, but my point still stands. If it exists at all in the rest of society, why would you not implement it in schools? It’s either safe to do away with it or it’s not. It can’t be deemed safe in one setting and not in another.
Dickie10 wrote: » Its as clear as day that tony and co will be under savage preesure come mid june to bring in 1 meter guidelines, prob settle on 1.5 but its only matter of time. under 1 meter a lot of problems will be catered for, schools, transport, business, hospitality.
daydorunrun wrote: » Whatever about opening schools in September, with the low ro rates and good weather they should allow 6th classes around the country return to school for a graduation ceremony to mark the end of primary school- it just the right thing to do........f**k zoom and virtual graduations, let them mark their right of passage.
