McGiver wrote: » They never had any stance. They defer this issue to "decision makers".
Seanergy wrote: » More screengrabs from above publication. It's worth reading in full.
McGiver wrote: » This is not a matter of personal choice.
weldoninhio wrote: » We aren’t talking about a flu pandemic. Covid-19 is not a flu.
Markomlm wrote: » Perhaps you would prefer we adopt a more totalitarian regime where all personal freedoms are quashed and we act in blind obedience to the state? Masks are not some kind of impenetrable iron curtain sir, you seriously need to get some perspective.
Seanergy wrote: » Jasus, Just being reading the Irish National Plan for Pandemic Influenza January 2007, holy crap. It's obsessed with hand washing but not facemasks, droplet spread was considered just for sneezing and coughing back then, nothing a tissue wouldn't fix. Anyway, I have created a table of the 2019 Summary of Recommendations by the WHO for non pharmaceutical public health measures for mitigating the risk and impact of epidemic and pandemic influenza, which I provided a link to earlier. Seems Ireland is still using it's non pharmaceutical Intervention (NPI) playbook from 2007/2008 era, which was created on the back of the WHO playbook from 2004/2005. My point in recreating this table is to highlight that quality of evidence is not just moderate for hand hygiene but also face mask measures. All other remaining measures have very low or no quality of evidence. Therefore the argument used by the State for the past 8 weeks that there is no scientific evidence was nothing short of a fabrication. Also, they have enabled nearly all the other measures even though those measures did not have the same quality of evidence. Target audience: This guideline is intended to support the development and updating of national plans for mitigating influenza epidemics and pandemics in community settings. The recommendations included in this guideline will also be of interest to members of boards.ie, individuals, organizations, institutions and local health authorities. The recommendations are based on the quality of evidence and on other indicators such as values and preferences, balance of benefits and harms, resource implications, acceptability, feasibility and ethical considerations. Summary of Recommendations by the WHO NPI It seems Ireland's decision to pushout mask uptake happened way back in 2008. They certainly didn't realise back then that the cost of keeping the poplulation in masks would be the cheaper and easier solution to shutting down the economy. I have no trust in the actions of the Minister for Health, the State, NPHET, the HSE with regard to mask policy.WHO: outbreak communication guidelines 2005 For trust to be restored, transparency is needed and the all of the bodies mentioned above need to talk with the public not to the public as outlined in chapter 7 of the HSE playbook(scrnshot below). Screenshot below from chapter 7 Pandemic Influenza Preparedness for Ireland: Advice of the Pandemic Influenza Expert Group:
Arrival wrote: » Some people just do not think The lockdown was implemented to slow the spreading of the virus Mandatory masks, at least indoors, help slow the spreading of the virus The lockdown has people under house arrest, restricted from visiting family and friends, but people respect and adhere to this measure Masks allow people to still carry on relatively normal lives and actually get to meet family and friends, but people disregard and feel personally offended at the idea of implementing this measure Yet introducing mandatory masks is the straw that breaks the camels back and equals a totalitarian regime for some people? Not the lockdown? Well done, good effort
weldoninhio wrote: » I didn’t cite any Irish experts predicting the future. I used real world evidence that is currently happening in Denmark. Anyone that disagrees with me is a troll #yawn.
McGiver wrote: » Link? No - anyone who disagrees with the consensus and huge body of the evidence is a troll.
Dr. Ivar Giaever, a former professor with Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute and the 1973 winner of the Nobel Prize in physics, abruptly announced his resignation Tuesday, Sept. 13, from the premier physics society in disgust over its officially stated policy that "global warming is occurring."
weldoninhio wrote: » https://www.dailysabah.com/world/europe/2nd-covid-19-wave-very-unlikely-in-denmark-expert-says Ireland’s R0 is already well below Denmark’s. Currently R0.4. We need to stop the lockdown now.
MadYaker wrote: » And what do you think will happen to that R0 if we "stop the lockdown now"
weldoninhio wrote: » Take out nursing homes, DP centres, Traveller and Roma clusters and Ireland has barely been touched by Covid-19. But you still have the chicken littles who believe the country would be decimated if not for “lockdown”.
weldoninhio wrote: » Well going by Denmarks example. Nothing. Take out nursing homes, DP centres, Traveller and Roma clusters and Ireland has barely been touched by Covid-19. But you still have the chicken littles who believe the country would be decimated if not for “lockdown”.
Boggles wrote: » Sure, if you forget about the 1600+ people who died and the 3000+ hospitalized then yeah we have completely aced it.
