yosemitesam1 wrote: » If you tested every death for flu virus and a positive result equalled death by flu regardless of symptoms, flu deaths would be much higher.
bb1234567 wrote: » Link?Any proof at all to that? So, let's say thats correct. Flu is way more dangerous than we all know apparently. It doesnt really mean anything, COVID has still caused a large number of deaths in Europe in a small amount of time and caused a huge strain on European medical infrastructure, something which flu has never ever done,so it would make sense that it is considerably more dangerous than flu. The stats back this up, but apparently the stats are wrong according to you, it is irrelevant either way though. Even if we very generously said that perhaps half of flu deaths are unreported, kills about 100,000 in Europe annually. It still is far less deaths than those cuased by covid, and not only that but COVID has only infected 5% of the European population at most, where as flu infects up to 20%. So whatever way you want to look at it or no matter how you exaggerate figures in favour of that argument, covid is a lot more dangerous and a much bigger problem than flu. If you'd like to believe that it is normal for a disease with an IFR similar to flu, to kill 200,000 people in Europe in 10 weeks then okay, feel free to believe it, but nobody else does, hence the measures being implemented worldwide.
Deaths 30 days after influenza diagnosis In total, 505 of 13,324 persons who received a laboratory-confirmed influenza diagnosis during the 2018–2019 season died within 30 days of diagnosis. Of these, all but four had an influenza A diagnosis. Most samples of influenza A and B were not analysed for subtype or lineage, respectively. Within the 30 days, most (75 percent) of those who died did so within 15 days of diagnosis. Patients who died ranged in age from 0 to 100 years, with a median age of 81 years of age. Patients who had not died within 30 days of diagnosis had a median age of 59 years. In total, 88 percent of deaths within 30 days occurred among people aged 65 years and older. Ten percent of deaths occurred among adults aged 40–64 years and two percent occurred in people under the age of 40 years. The age distribution reflects the circulation of influenza A(H1N1)pdm09 and the lower mortality burden seen among the elderly this season. Overall, 7 percent of those aged 65 years and older who received a laboratory-confirmed influenza A diagnosis died within 30 days. Table 10 shows that the proportion of deaths within 30 days increased with increasing age and varied from 0.2 percent for persons aged under 40 years to 23% for people aged 95 years and older. The analyses were not been adjusted for expected mortality per age group.
Mike3287 wrote: » See Sweden Flu results, the basket case of the world laboratory-confirmed influenza diagnosis during the 2018–2019 season diedhttps://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se/publicerat-material/publikationsarkiv/i/influenza-in-sweden/?pub=63511
bb1234567 wrote: » What is this supposed to prove?
Mike3287 wrote: » We don't test for flu
bb1234567 wrote: » and not only that but COVID has only infected 5% of the European population at most.
Stormyteacup wrote: » Haven’t had a chance to read up on the serum/antibody tests properly yet - but is this accepted now in the scientific community as correct, as in - are they fairly sure that only 5% max of Ireland’s population has been infected by Covid?
bb1234567 wrote: » There are widely agreed upon estimates based on decades of data and which are further adjusted by the numbers admitted for respiratory illness to hospitals nationwide each season. Anyway again it is totally irrelevant as the excess mortality caused by covid is far higher than any other year which takes into account deaths caused by flu Really clutching at straws here lads, the IFR is 1%. Flu is 0.1%. Serum studies in France Spain and NL determined how many had it, and of that number more than 1% died. More will die of those already infected while infections have slowed to a trickle, and in Spain and NL the death toll is underestimated. Better to try and deal with reality than try to make up some other reality by playing with statistics to win an online argument. Would it make you feel better if everyone on here agreed with you that the IFR is the same as flu? It won't make one iota of a difference to the reality on the ground where covid is killing far more people than fly ever had and remains the leading cause of death in EU for the third month running despite a two month lockdown
yosemitesam1 wrote: » Europe is on track to equal excess deaths in 2015 which were high due to a bad flu season. This spring is after a fairly soft flu season which meant mortality was lower in many European countries from late 2019 in the run-up to covid. Healthcare staff shortages were widespread in Europe when covid was at it's peak. Especially in Italy and Spain. In addition to those two points, benchmarking covid against the flu can't be done when the methodologies behind calculating the severity of both are hugely different. Otherwise there is a risk of exaggerating the severity of one against the other.
WSJ update on the vaccine front-runners here (paywall). - 100+ efforts globally - 8 are at human trial stage including Moderna Inc., Pfizer Inc, Johnson & Johnson, JNJ, AstraZeneca PLC and Sanofi SA. - Some, like vaccines from Pfizer and Moderna, are based on relatively new technologies that haven’t been approved previously. - FDA in the US expected to give rapid approval after successful trials. - Whilst some might reach the finishing line this year, fuller supply to vaccinate the general population might not become available until well into 2021. - US to use existing network of state agencies that run childhood vaccination programs at public clinics. - Johnson & Johnson expects to have some batches of its vaccine ready by early 2021. - Moderna to make tens of millions of doses a month by the end of this year, and eventually as many as one billion doses a year.
Esel wrote: » Typo in the Nursing Homes percentage details.
30 more children under the age of 14 have contracted Covid-19 in the last week according to latest statistics. There are now a total of 25,064 confirmed cases of Covid-19 in Ireland. In the last seven days, 334 new cases have been reported by health chiefs. 30 of these new cases have been children under the age of 14. Eight tots under the age of four have been infected with the killer bug while 21 kids between the ages of five and 14 have tested positive. 19 children under the age of four have been hospitalised.AGE BREAKDOWN 17 patients between the ages of five and 14 have been admitted to hospital while two have been moved to an Irish intensive care unit. People between the ages of 45 and 54 are the most likely to contract the virus with 4,503 infected, accounting for 17.97 per cent of all cases. The hardest hit age group remains the over 85s who account for 26.38 per cent of all deaths. The median age of all cases is 48 while the mean in 51.HOSPITALS Some 13.16 per cent of all coronavirus cases in Ireland have been hospitalised, while 1.63 per cent have required critical care.5.58 per cent of Irish people who have contracted the killer bug have sadly died. Ireland currently has 872 clusters with 40 per cent of all cases associated with these. 31.93 per cent of all cases are healthcare workers.COUNTIES Meanwhile, 16 counties in Ireland have reported no new cases of Covid-19 in the last 24 hours according to the latest statistics. Carlow, Cavan, Cork, Donegal, Galway, Kerry, Kildare, Leitrim, Longford, Mayo, Monaghan, Offaly, Sligo, Westmeath, Wexford and Wicklow have seen zero new cases of the killer bug. Leitrim is the county with the least amount of confirmed coronavirus cases with just 83. While Cavan has 844 cases, it is actually Ireland’s worst hit county per capita. Per 100,000 population, Cavan has an incidence rate of 1108.0 compared to Dublin’s 897.3.
ShineOn7 wrote: » This just popped up on my Timeline, apologies for The Sun link. I doubt they'd get the numbers wrong. Sensationalize them? Absolutely. But make them up? NoIreland's mortality rate on this is at 5%? Isn't this 5 times higher than many other countries?https://www.thesun.ie/news/5504034/coronavirus-in-ireland-30-more-children-under-14-contract-covid-19-in-a-week-while-45-54s-most-likely-to-catch-virus/?utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=irishsunfacebook&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1591266600
normanoffside wrote: » No way is the mortality rate over 5%
ShineOn7 wrote: » That's what the maths and stats of it in Ireland says it is though
normanoffside wrote: » Yes but since all nursing homes residents have been tested, they (and healthcare workers) are the only section of the population to have had universal testing. They are also those most likely to die. Also a lot of people are only tested after dying. I'm sure you understand that this massively skews mortality rates.
