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Public service pay cut?

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Will, there be public service pay cuts and cuts to services themselves after COVID 19? interesting discussion on RTE 1 radio about this, on the other hand, the likes of David McWilliams take a different view on how we can pay for this.

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Birneybau

tastyt wrote: »

I admire a lot of our public service, especially front line. But when you take a public job you have to understand that the government , that is , the country is your employer.

When your employer is broke in either public or private employment you cannot expect pay rises increments etc. And if pay cuts happen it’s the small price public servants pay for the great job security and pension they have which a private worker simply doesn’t. Especially in these tough times it is a huge advantage to be a public servant considering the amount of people who lose there job through no fault of their own

It’s not rocket science, I don’t know how people can’t get this .

Why is it always public v private sector? Because it's just another form of divide and conquer. Jesus, why not tax corporations/the rich more?

But no, it's the little guys that always get it in the neck.

This modern hyper-capitalism has normal people at each throats while the mega rich pay f' all tax and get away with it. They are simply sucking up what there is and leaving us scrabbling.

Can you not see that?!?

Dylan94

I don't think that there will be public sector pay cuts, for many the previous pay cuts still haven't been undone. Particularly for those who started after 2012.

I think that public sector workers will be more likely to strike this time around, as they won't believe the government when they promise that its only temporary and will be restored. There were already strikes on the way from teachers as a result of the last of progress for those on the newer pay scales.

noodler

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Me hole. People are still sick and dying.

The only difference is that people aren't clogging the system with nonsense anymore so they don't need to is trolleys.

Is that your definition of 'empty'?

You need to leave "yet hole" out of this and look up the facts.

Bizarre you are even disputing this tbh.

Flavour Diaper

I work in the civil service. Have had workload quadrupled, off my feet day after day after day since this started and straight into bed when I come home. Others on much higher salaries are pissing around in their gardens. I believe the civil service across all levels should have been leveled out at 350 a week in a show of solidarity with everyone else from the start of the pandemic.

addaword

Flavour Diaper wrote: »

. I believe the civil service across all levels should have been leveled out at 350 a week in a show of solidarity with everyone else from the start of the pandemic.

Indeed not one person in the public sector has lost their job, but more than half the private sector are out of work ( the only essential businesses being food shops and pharmacies).

I know plenty of well paid public servants on 70k a year doing very little, with libraries and colleges closed, planning permission depts closed etc.

pinkyeye

VillageIdiot71 wrote: »

And the Clerical Officer scale goes up to €40,000 p.a., which is double the Covid payment. Quite good money.

On nurses, at some stage we've got to get over it. The honest ones frankly admit that they're having the easiest couple of months they've ever had, as the hospitals are empty.

Low paid care assistants in nursing homes are under pressure, and genuinely in the so called front line. But they're mostly in the private sector. Ditto supermarket workers, who've had much more exposure to the general population than nurses, frequently for nothing more than minimum wage.

So glad someone else said this. I work in the nursing home sector, not as a HCA thank god but I see daily the unbelievable pressure they're under. Remember they are responsible for preventing a virus that could wipe out half of the residents in a nurse home and they've to do the most intimate tasks and also keep residents amused as there are no visitors.

All for top rate of €11.75 per hour.

Flavour Diaper

addaword wrote: »

Indeed not one person in the public sector has lost their job, but more than half the private sector are out of work ( the only essential businesses being food shops and pharmacies).

Not quite that straightforward but broadly agree. There are a couple handful of low level civil servants putting in huge shifts to keep the country running behind the scenes. Emergency repairs and maintenance work still need to be done, isolated and vulnerable people need support, community workers and HSE support lines have been pushed near breaking point. Just because you don't see it or need it doesn't mean its nonessential.

[Deleted User]

Birneybau wrote: »

Yeah, you missed the point. You have said your daughter is a nurse, and fair play to her. The HSE is ridiculously top heavy salary-wise, it's a bloated fit for nothing bureaucratical organisation.

There should be more, better paid nurses and doctors, and less pencil pushers. Rid the HSE of most of the 'brain' trust and you'll have a more efficient entity, funding and work wise.

This 'divide and conquer' approach to organisations is a little bit short-sighted. The 'pencil pushers' are the ones to ensure that the nurses and doctors get their salaries into their bank accounts each week. They're the ones that make sure that the PPE ordered from China is sitting on the shelf awaiting use. They're the ones building and supporting the IT systems that the doctors and nurses need to use to do their job.

august12 wrote: »

Travel would be top of the list and the further the travel, the more lucrative,

Actually, the reverse is true - the more you travel, the lower the mileage rate applies.

But maybe you could explain what you want to happen? Do you want to stop travel - like for the public health nurses going out to visit their patients, or the building control inspectors going out to visit sites, or the social workers escorting children who have no parent around?

Or are you expecting public servants to pay for their own petrol and tyres and insurance to do their job?

n97 mini wrote: »

I don't think there will be pay cuts. But I do think any public sector workers who currently have no job (e.g. librarians) should be (temporarily) on the C19 payment.

Don't assume that librarians have no job. Dun Laoghaire libraries are operating a home delivery service for cocooners.

smelly sock wrote: »

There is a hell of a lot of waste in frontline HSE services along with admin. It's across the board in that sense.

Really? Tell us more about the waste in frontline and admin - what functions would you cut back on?

[Deleted User]

Birneybau wrote: »

Why is it always public v private sector? Because it's just another form of divide and conquer. Jesus, why not tax corporations/the rich more?

Honestly, you're in no position to complain about divide and conquer tactics when you're having a go at 'pencil pushers'.

addaword wrote: »

I agree. Are there not some librarians now on 75,000 a year doing s.f.a.?

Are there? Which ones are on €75k doing sfa?

tastyt wrote: »

I admire a lot of our public service, especially front line. But when you take a public job you have to understand that the government , that is , the country is your employer.

When your employer is broke in either public or private employment you cannot expect pay rises increments etc. And if pay cuts happen it’s the small price public servants pay for the great job security and pension they have which a private worker simply doesn’t. Especially in these tough times it is a huge advantage to be a public servant considering the amount of people who lose there job through no fault of their own

It’s not rocket science, I don’t know how people can’t get this .

Right, so the public sector can expect cuts in the bad times, and basically cuts in the good times too, given that they are still paying the PRD brought in during 2008. That's a great way to make sure that you have decent people running your health services and your schools.

pinkyeye

LRNM wrote: »

Working for the ambulance service and earn 600 per week before tax for a 39 hour week. Anything after that has to be earned through overtime.

Honestly if I got a paycut I'd just pack it in. It's piss poor pay and conditions and we're treated like dirt by the HSE.

I don't know whats up with peoples obsessions with wanting to drag us down to the minimum wage levels of the unskilled private sector.

Funnily enough, all the private sectors including low paid places like supermarkets are getting bonuses and pay increases for working through the pandemic.

What do we get? A big fúck you that's what.

You see this is what bugs me about civil servants. BASIC salary for a paramedic is 36,000, that is not 600 per week, so why lie?

n97 mini

smelly sock wrote: »

Wow.

Contracts and employment law come to mind straight away.

The other alternative is to make them redundant. As long as the roles aren't replaced in 6 months it's all above board. I think the C19 payment as a temporary measure is a much better solution.

n97 mini

addaword wrote: »

I agree. Are there not some librarians now on 75,000 a year doing s.f.a.?

I don't know about the first part, but the second part applies to pretty much all in the public system. I live beside a public library which has been shuttered for weeks. And they left the heating on!

LRNM

pinkyeye wrote: »

You see this is what bugs me about civil servants. BASIC salary for a paramedic is 36,000, that is not 600 per week, so why lie?

1. We're not civil servants.

2. 36,000 is after 9 years of service.

Please check your facts. Starting salary is 25k.

3. There's more than just paramedics working in the ambulance service.

talla10

pinkyeye wrote: »

You see this is what bugs me about civil servants. BASIC salary for a paramedic is 36,000, that is not 600 per week, so why lie?

Where did you figure of €36,000 from?

http://www.nationalambulanceservice.ie/Working-For-Us/Staff-View/Jobs-Expo-Final-RG-PDF.pdf

This appears to the correct information in relation to National Ambulance Service Paramedics salary.

saabsaab

There will be no pay cuts. Too unpopular and would damage any new government from day one.

LRNM

pinkyeye wrote: »

So glad someone else said this. I work in the nursing home sector, not as a HCA thank god but I see daily the unbelievable pressure they're under. Remember they are responsible for preventing a virus that could wipe out half of the residents in a nurse home and they've to do the most intimate tasks and also keep residents amused as there are no visitors.

All for top rate of €11.75 per hour.

If you work in the nursing home sector you should be well aware that the residents are paying on average €800 per week for the privilege. You'll know the owners and managers of these nursing homes are on gigantic salaries, often over 100k per year.

They're understaffed, overworked and in most cases neglect of residents and abuse of staff is rampant.

Why should low paid public servants and private workers have to bare the brunt? There are private sector employees and employers earning mega bucks and they will never see a pay cut. Not a hope.

n97 mini

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Don't assume that librarians have no job. Dun Laoghaire libraries are operating a home delivery service for cocooners.

And those doing so should be on normal salary. But you'd agree those that have no work should be temporarily put on the C19 payment?

Just Be Confident Bro

I'm a civil servant. I am supposed to get a pay rise this year and go up two points on the scale (an extra point for pay restoration).

I will be seriously fcukin pissed if that does not happen.

Ninthlife

n97 mini wrote: »

And those doing so should be on normal salary. But you'd agree those that have no work should be temporarily put on the C19 payment?

How do you know they have no work?

In the short space of time everything happened how would you deem one section of a Dept necessary over another?

Stopitwillya

pinkyeye wrote: »

You see this is what bugs me about civil servants. BASIC salary for a paramedic is 36,000, that is not 600 per week, so why lie?

They should get double that salary. Surprised it is so low.

n97 mini

pinkyeye wrote: »

You see this is what bugs me about civil servants. BASIC salary for a paramedic is 36,000, that is not 600 per week, so why lie?

There's a scale, not one salary for all.

Sultan of Bling

The fact you would get someone to run to the shop to get you a newspaper says more about your incompetence than it does about theirs.

n97 mini

Ninthlife wrote: »

How do you know they have no work?

Read again. It was a blanket statement: by definition someone with no work has no work! Anyone temporarily out of work really should be on the C19 payment.

Ninthlife wrote: »

In the short space of time everything happened how would you deem one section of a Dept necessary over another?

It's not about deeming who is necessary, it's about fact. If you're at home with nothing to do, you're out of work. A lot of people don't have remote access to the office, can't go into the office etc., no access to clients etc. Pretty easy to identify who has no work.

Ninthlife

n97 mini wrote: »

Read again. It was a blanket statement: by definition someone with no work has no work! Anyone temporarily out of work really should be on the C19 payment.

It's not about deeming who is necessary, it's about fact. If you're at home with nothing to do, you're out of work. A lot of people don't have remote access to the office, can't go into the office etc., no access to clients etc. Pretty easy to identify who has no work.

Youre assuming alot of stuff

Im a civil servant and anyone who did not have equipment or access were quickly provided with either or both in some cases.

Those whos normal day to day role might not be functioning was quickly given work in another area.

Maybe not the same across the board but blanket statements about Public Servants do nothing really pi$$ me off

n97 mini

Ninthlife wrote: »

Youre assuming alot of stuff

Im a civil servant and anyone who did not have equipment or access were quickly provided with either or both in some cases.

Those whos normal day to day role might not be functioning was quickly given work in another area.

Maybe not the same across the board but blanket statements about Public Servants do nothing really pi$$ me off

Me too. So to say they all have work and none should be on the C19 payment (temporarily) is, well....

addaword

n97 mini wrote: »

. So to say they all have work and none should be on the C19 payment (temporarily) is, well....

Unbelievable!

noodler

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Honestly, you're in no position to complain about divide and conquer tactics when you're having a go at 'pencil pushers'.

Are there? Which ones are on €75k doing sfa?

Right, so the public sector can expect cuts in the bad times, and basically cuts in the good times too, given that they are still paying the PRD brought in during 2008. That's a great way to make sure that you have decent people running your health services and your schools.

They has been pay increases every year since 2016. They included reductions in PRD /threshold changes as well as gross increases.

Sultan of Bling

noodler wrote:

They has been pay increases every year since 2016. They included reductions in PRD /threshold changes as well as gross increases.

Part restoration, not increases.

Just Be Confident Bro

Atm I'm working one day a week and taking home my full pay of 422 shekels.

[Deleted User]

i dont think id accept a pay cut tbh

tbh in fact if the terms of the new agreement don't recognise the paycut we took over the past ten years for the sake of the country purely to throw it all into private banks and private property then ill be pushing my union to strike long and hard.

3% a year rise with double increments sounds fair.

we've done our part, cleaning up private sector disasters. i wont be nodding along to being thrown under the bus again because some people havent the stuff for the entrance exam.

not much point putting up with the bashing of barstool expert fools in threads like these if we cant enjoy ourselves in a recession. i hope to have a four bed in dalkey after the next crash please god.

www.publicjobs.ie is a free site lads. try yourselves against the best.