Away With The Fairies wrote: » Yep, I know they are. That's why I posted earlier that secretly they want herd immunity. Their actions speak it.
Wibbs wrote: » I read "guidance" alright Railer: Develop guidance for wearing of face coverings in community and has regard to the need for medical grade masks by healthcare workers (and other specified categories of persons) yeah, they can't even type plain effin English/proof read in an official government document. Amateur hour. Again. But "guidance"? What does that mean? Leo has straight out said it won't ever be mandatory, only advisory, so unless there's a mass groundswell from the Irish public, never gonna happen and guidance won't cut it.
Away With The Fairies wrote: » So they are going to advise face coverings on the 18th? I don't understand... How about now?
Sitamoia wrote: » Anyone know a good place to get effective masks?
McGiver wrote: » By the way the Czech serological study, 30k people sample from various urban and rural areas, is out. Results - antibodies found in <1% population overall, the confidence interval is 0-1.1%. The highest values were 5% from the hardest hit areas. Means there's no herd immunity whatsoever. Czechia was hit less than say Ireland but even in Ireland the immunity will be single percent at most. Herd immunity is out of the question, its simply not possible. Also given what we know regarding the coronavirus and their very low ability to generate antibodies. By the way this is a reason why classic vaccines with attenuated virus or virus proteins don't work for Sars-cov-2 - they don't generate sufficient immune response. So the strategy will be do everything you can while waiting for the vaccine (which isn't a given and clinical trials will take a long time). Not at least recommending masks in this scenario is stupid at best, criminal at worst.
Away With The Fairies wrote: » So we are in this for years, a vaccine can take 10+ years. They should be doing everything they can to get rid of this. Their testing is a joke, contact tracing and lack of mandatory quarantine for incoming visitors is also a joke.Then they come out with advisory face masks/coverings... Something we can all make at home. Something we can all do. Something they can get right. But nope.
Sheep Shagger wrote: » These are some of the cheaper ones I've seen.https://irishsocksciety.com/collections/face-masks
owlbethere wrote: » Is this the results of a study that was carried out? Its fairly despicable of our government to ignore something like this. I understand why our government is not recommending facemasks because masks have to be reserved for healthcare settings. With a shortage too, if the government recommends masks, they might be liable to provide them or businesses might need to supply them and they may not be able to with a shortage. Surely they could recommend face coverings? Like fabric/cloth masks.
tipperary wrote: » Any charities selling masks? Starting to look like we may need them when out and about, would prefer to give my money to a charity though.
UrbanFret wrote: » This is a training video that has been distributed by the fire service. Not much point in going to all this trouble if the mask doesn't protect us. Fast forward to 3.00 mins inhttps://youtu.be/eVYu0nvQOf0
Seanergy wrote: » Yes, it appears to be the results of a study that The Mater Surgery(An Advanced, Cross-Disciplinary Applied Research & Education Facility for Better Surgery) carried out. Simon Harris was in the Mater yesterday at the the launch of the Covid Assessment Hub(joint project between the Mater and HSE). So Harris may well have got a schooling from Mater Surgery or gave a blessing to publish these images/videographics or maybe after he left they decided F-this were going public as we have a duty to care. I'm not as keen as you are of letting the government off the hook on this issue. Propping up the excuse of short supply doesn't hold water in my book, certainly not this deep into the pandemic. New machine just arrived into the only facility we have for making facemasks last week. They might even extend lockdown(bar outside/external work) a little longer just to stockpile masks for the frontline, healthcare workers, patients, vulnerable, garda, army, etc. I cannot see them advising or recommending facemasks/cloth coverings for the public until they have a stockpile built up for their frontline. Fairly despicable, yes.
Seanergy wrote: » Surprised your not wearing covers for boots, surely risk of heavy droplets landing on boots is high enough in your environment? laces can twist this way and that, a little spray isn't a bibs and braces approach. Other than that fairly thorough training vid. Fair play to yea lads...
owlbethere wrote: » I've been dipping in and out from the thread since it started and reading the links and definitely it shows that masks for all is the way forward and I began to curse Leo and FG under my breath on this matter today. They are a useless shower of pr1cks. They will wait for the public to lead the way no doubt and maybe then they might consider asking the public to consider wearing a mask. Jesus, Leo had to be reminded he's not wanted in government by half of the electorate who voted in February.
Arrival wrote: » Yeah it's ridiculous to not do it at the same time as the lockdown because it would reduce the community spread even more and then when the lockdown is lifted there'd be way less active cases Time to start getting into touch with local TDs and laying out the reasoning I'd say, some of the articles linked in here have been fantastic for getting the point across
railer201 wrote: » This advisory PDF Public Health Framework Document by the NPHET is still on line - see link. It does mention cloth face coverings in 6 places, masks in 3 ok.https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/7450cc-advice-provided-by-nphet-to-the-minister-for-health/
Appendix 1 – Public health framework approach to advising on reducing social distancing measures(measures listed are illustrative)
owlbethere wrote: » The thread is huge. Can you point me to 2 or 3 good links qfor the wearing of masks in public. I will pin a written piece sometime today to my local TDs Facebook page and direct him to some links.
McGiver wrote: » You're right. What I've found though is that, and Wibbs or others correct me if I'm wrong, I think Irish public or civic society is pretty weak. Most people don't care and/or buy the media gov message and obey without question. And from those who do care very few will contact TDs, volunteer run a campaign or something. I've heard stories from people in Spain about huge volunteering movement over there, people helping in different ways etc. The same in Czechia where there were dozens of campaigns from DIY masks, to mask awareness, volunteering of distribution of goods or PPE to the elderly, massive grassroots sewing and distribution (also via website / app) of masks to help everyone included sick, elderly and even hospitals and care homes etc. It was the public who forced the current incompetent Czech government to mandate masks back in March. Generally, Covid brought the best out of the people there, it united the nation - everyone tried to help somehow. I don't see this kind of enthusiasm here at all...
Away With The Fairies wrote: » Page four of the government guidelines and new measures for opening up. How Covid spreads... When someone coughs, sneezes or speaks. While most of us catches our coughs and sneezes, what about when we talk? They go on about tissues and handwashing. Very limited on face mask use, unless someone is a carrier... Except how do you know who's a carrier with asymptomatic people?
Sam Hain wrote: » Yeah, just seems to be a lot of people talking about it.
Away With The Fairies wrote: » So we are in this for years, a vaccine can take 10+ years.
Away With The Fairies wrote: » They should be doing everything they can to get rid of this. Their testing is a joke, contact tracing and lack of mandatory quarantine for incoming visitors is also a joke.
Away With The Fairies wrote: » Then they come out with advisory face masks/coverings... Something we can all make at home. Something we can all do. Something they can get right. But nope.
