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How will schools be able to go back in September?

shoppergal

Just wondering if anyone can give any insight into how schools could safely re-open in September?

Everyone I'm talking to is saying they won't be back until September but in my head I'm wondering how they'll re-open even in September? The virus will still be there with a vaccine still months away at that stage.

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khalessi

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Hyperbole much

Nah only when replying to some of the responses in this thread

iamwhoiam

khalessi wrote: »

Why is it dreadful?
Most parents are sitting their children in front of computers and getting them to do the work. Yes they are working and looking after children and al ot of those paretns are teachers, so we understand the struggle. My kids dont get a look in during the day. They do book based school work while I teach online/wfh and the online stuff either gets done in the evening or on the weekend. It is a balancing act. One computer, wfh and school going kids.

But the attitude of NIMAN to say chidren are off, is not only untrue but irrpesponsible. I have parents whose children have not made any contact with school despite numerous and various attempts but the school by the school to contact them. That is irresponsible but according to law fine as the parent is the primary educator. So yes any parent whose child has not made any contact with the school since 12 MArch 2020 or who thinks the kids are off are irresponsible, as neither the children or the teachers are off, they are online.

Hyperbole much

khalessi

iamwhoiam wrote: »

That is a dreadful thing to say . There are homes with both parents working from home while looking after two or three children . Some have babies or toddlers to deal with . Parents are not teachers they were never trained to be . Most are doing their very best to deal with all of the difficulties and to berate anyone who cannot always be perfect as irresponsible is very unfair
I am a retired nurse , I wouldn’t expect a parents to be able to do my job .
People are out there struggling to manage and doing their best in a very difficult situation
My own daughter is working from home as is her husband . They have a young baby and a child in senior infant . Some days the homework just has to wait . So it is for many

Why is it dreadful?
Most parents are sitting their children in front of computers and getting them to do the work. Yes they are working and looking after children and al ot of those paretns are teachers, so we understand the struggle. My kids dont get a look in during the day. They do book based school work while I teach online/wfh and the online stuff either gets done in the evening or on the weekend. It is a balancing act. One computer, wfh and school going kids.

But the attitude of NIMAN to say chidren are off, is not only untrue but irrpesponsible. I have parents whose children have not made any contact with school despite numerous and various attempts but the school by the school to contact them. That is irresponsible but according to law fine as the parent is the primary educator. So yes any parent whose child has not made any contact with the school since 12 MArch 2020 or who thinks the kids are off are irresponsible, as neither the children or the teachers are off, they are online.

iamwhoiam

khalessi wrote: »

The children are not off, uless you are an irresponsible parent, as they are being educated online,

That is a dreadful thing to say . There are homes with both parents working from home while looking after two or three children . Some have babies or toddlers to deal with . Parents are not teachers they were never trained to be . Most are doing their very best to deal with all of the difficulties and to berate anyone who cannot always be perfect as irresponsible is very unfair
I am a retired nurse , I wouldn’t expect a parents to be able to do my job .
People are out there struggling to manage and doing their best in a very difficult situation
My own daughter is working from home as is her husband . They have a young baby and a child in senior infant . Some days the homework just has to wait . So it is for many

khalessi

NIMAN wrote: »

I was thinking we should have tried to forego one of our summer months, the kids have been off long enough.

I would have tried to take them back at start of August instead of September.

The children are not off, unless you are an irresponsible parent, as they are being educated online.

NIMAN

I was thinking we should have tried to forego one of our summer months, the kids have been off long enough.

I would have tried to take them back at start of August instead of September.

khalessi

Orchids wrote: »

If they can work out capacity management in pubs, then surely it can worked out in schools, bring half of the class in for a few days & remainder in for other days, other countries are managing it so why can't we, instead of just the blanket "wouldn't work" that we get for suggestions given to education sector.

Orchid there have been numerous siggestions on here by teachers on what would be needed to reopen classes, safely, it was even featured on Prime Time last week.

khalessi

jrosen wrote: »

Has any teacher had contact with their principal about reopening? Im curious if there is talks going on behind the scenes that at the moment the general public are not aware of.
I said before my concern is we get to September and there is no plan in place and its basically schools winging it on a week to week basis.

It is not up to teachers or principals to reopen schools, that is a decision for NPHET and Department of Education because I dont know whether people realise there is actualy a pandemic and over the last fornight a study has been release by researchers in China along with Johns Hopkins Univeristy researchers showing children are just as likely as adults to catch Covid19 and spread it. That along with increasing numbers of children in AMerica and Europe being admitted to hospital with Kawasaki like illness associated with Covid19 would indicated caution is needed.

I do realise this does not suit most peoples narratives but so be it.

Dravokivich

Orchids wrote: »

If they can work out capacity management in pubs, then surely it can worked out in schools, bring half of the class in for a few days & remainder in for other days, other countries are managing it so why can't we, instead of just the blanket "wouldn't work" that we get for suggestions given to education sector.

Other countries would have higher student/ teacher ratios. And more classrooms to support that. Alternating attendance just adds more need onto childcare.

So you arent really addressing the problem. You are just creating more.

There is too much local management in schools and it needs to be more centralised with the department of education. And the department can be responsive to needs the needs of the schools.

Orchids

Dravokivich wrote: »

Sounds to me like someone is trying to avoid admitting there are too many kids in classrooms at any one time. What's the answer to that? It's not about retraining as a teacher, you need to look at capacity management.

If they can work out capacity management in pubs, then surely it can worked out in schools, bring half of the class in for a few days & remainder in for other days, other countries are managing it so why can't we, instead of just the blanket "wouldn't work" that we get for suggestions given to education sector.

Dravokivich

Orchids wrote: »

Totally agree, what saddens me is that the schools sector doesnt seem to have the will to even try to reopen, other countries seem to have it very high up their list. I'm not teacher bashing & I dont want to hear the "go retrain as a teacher so" chant, I just dont understand why it doesnt seem as important here as it does elsewhere.

Sounds to me like someone is trying to avoid admitting there are too many kids in classrooms at any one time. What's the answer to that? It's not about retraining as a teacher, you need to look at capacity management.

jrosen

Has any teacher had contact with their principal about reopening? Im curious if there is talks going on behind the scenes that at the moment the general public are not aware of.
I said before my concern is we get to September and there is no plan in place and its basically schools winging it on a week to week basis.

iamwhoiam

Orchids wrote: »

Totally agree, what saddens me is that the schools sector doesnt seem to have the will to even try to reopen, other countries seem to have it very high up their list. I'm not teacher bashing & I dont want to hear the "go retrain as a teacher so" chant, I just dont understand why it doesnt seem as important here as it does elsewhere.

Absolutely agree , the medical sector and retail sectors have bent over backwards and come completely out of their comfort zone . I was expecting the same form all sectors .In fairness most are doing their utmost to accommodate and adjust

Orchids

road_high wrote: »

Yes in that private business can’t lay around and die for much longer.
Schools education is a separate sector and up to it to come with its own ideas

Totally agree, what saddens me is that the schools sector doesnt seem to have the will to even try to reopen, other countries seem to have it very high up their list. I'm not teacher bashing & I dont want to hear the "go retrain as a teacher so" chant, I just dont understand why it doesnt seem as important here as it does elsewhere.

road_high

Orchids wrote: »

Calls for pubs to re open 6 weeks earlier than planned but no calls for schools to reopen, says a lot about this country......

Yes in that private business can’t lay around and die for much longer.
Schools education is a separate sector and up to it to come with its own ideas

addaword

Orchids wrote: »

Calls for pubs to re open 6 weeks earlier than planned but no calls for schools to reopen, says a lot about this country......

That is because teachers get paid the same if they are "taking things easy"/ not working as if they are working.
Publicans do not get paid if they are not selling drink.

Orchids

Calls for pubs to re open 6 weeks earlier than planned but no calls for schools to reopen, says a lot about this country......

Orchids

Calls for pubs to re open 6 weeks earlier than planned but no calls for schools to reopen, says a lot about this country......

pollymv1

X2 on Hibernia. I've worked at Hibernia - they are money grabbers and their grads are frowned upon in schools. Having studied at DCU, the two don't compare.

Students suffer because staff are unsupported. The fees are extortionate, this is not a real educational facility.

Dickie10

im a secondary teacher, i use email not zoom as some kids are minding siblings and have to work not at exact time of classes , it would be too hard to get all students sitting down at same time, bad wifi etc. much simpler using email. they get the powerpoints/notes and work set , then email it back by a deadline by picture . i then give them feedback during regular class time. its history so notes and questions work very well ,there also brilliant youtube documentary and short videos on our topics. finally about once a week i make a short video narrating over some comlpex issue in the work we were studying just to explain it. its working very well.

TheValeyard

munsterlegend wrote: »

There is no schools bar the Leaving cert until September.

I even have doubts if that will happen.

wirelessdude01

morebabies wrote: »

If we end up having to step back in our progression through the phases if the numbers of cases rises too much, do we then assume that the September re-opening of schools which is part of Phase 5 will also be pushed back?

You would have to imagine so.

khalessi

Yes I presume so.

morebabies

If we end up having to step back in our progression through the phases if the numbers of cases rises too much, do we then assume that the September re-opening of schools which is part of Phase 5 will also be pushed back?

munsterlegend

khalessi wrote: »

What frrom the 18th May

There is no schools bar the Leaving cert until September.

khalessi

Scoondal wrote: »

From 18 May, 2 hours morning and 2 hours afternoon. Optional. Sign up for morning or afternoon. If teachers want PPE, no problem. Give them gas masks, whatever.

What frrom the 18th May

Scoondal

From 18 May, 2 hours morning and 2 hours afternoon. Optional. Sign up for morning or afternoon. If teachers want PPE, no problem. Give them gas masks, whatever.

milosh

Is there any chance of boarding schools re-opening next year? They would be unworkable surely.

combat14

Guardian have pretty much same article

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/30/coronavirus-scientists-caution-against-reopening-schools

khalessi

This concerns me as a parent as my kids just want to see their cousins, but 1 has only 3/4 of one lung and the other has Cystic Fibrosis, so it looks like it will be a long while before they can be together. We are a close family and have always practised cough etiquette and handwashing due to CF. Apart from the school issue this means it will be a long time before we can be together as a family and that is heartbreaking as we all live close by.