What Username Guidelines wrote: » It's interesting that it hasnt gone the way of Italy, France, and Spain, perhaps it will, but Sweden appears to have shown how social distancing is very impactful and less people moving around or congregating in large crowds at the beginning has an effect on initial spread, maybe. Who knows yet. Other countries got caught off-guard whereas Sweden, while not locking down heavily, still reacting with working from home, social distancing, etc. I dont necessarily believe they're close to herd immunity, but it does seem like it's manageable for their healthcare services right now. Will be interesting to see numbers in Denmark, Austria, Spain, etc after they've eased some stuff but maintained strong social distancing rules.
What Username Guidelines wrote: » It's interesting that it hasnt gone the way of Italy, France, and Spain, perhaps it will, but Sweden appears to have shown how social distancing is very impactful and less people moving around or congregating in large crowds at the beginning has an effect on initial spread, maybe. Who knows yet. Other countries got caught off-guard whereas Sweden, while not locking down heavily, still reacting with working from home, social distancing, etc.
IAMAMORON wrote: » Can't really disagree with anything here. I am beginning to suspect that its' mutations have different potencies and viral loads. It also has been mooted for a while now that it struggles to survive outside of a human host under hot temperatures, this would definitely explain how it has struggled in Equatorial countries and in southern hemisphere countries during their summer, think Australia. for example. There is also an argument about habitual density and lifestyle. Italian social life is family driven and it is not uncommon to have 3-4 generations to a household, given its appetite for the elderly you can see the danger here. That is before you imagine how touchy feely Italians are when they meet and greet ( that is not a criticism at all btw) . I also reckon that the virus was rampant there before they even realised it, they hadn't a chance. If you can imagine it was there before Christmas it is easy to see how widespread it became.
wakka12 wrote: » Well despite the backlog being gone the deaths remain high in Sweden. 130 announced today
IAMAMORON wrote: » The numbers game is over. Think of how quickly the virus spread through Lombardy, population 10 million. They have suffered 12,940 deaths, they have been locked down for months now. That is the same population as Sweden they have 2,000 deaths. 6 times less.
markjbloggs wrote: » Wrong - I'm Irish and I am willing to be part of that experiment. WHO has repeatedly been wrong/influenced through all this and its' guidance is suspect to say the least. WHO guidance provides nothing more than a prophylactic for our sycophant politicians not to take the tough decisions necessary to get this cpuntry out of this mess.
wakka12 wrote: » Its not really struggling in equatorial areas though, there is evidence of very extensive outbreaks in Brazil Ecuador and Indonesia Mexico and Florida both passed 1000 deaths today also
maninasia wrote: » How old are you ?:cool:
IAMAMORON wrote: » It will pass via humans. For reference current figures in, Brazil infected 49,990, deaths 3,300 population 212 million Ecuador infected 11,183 deaths 560 population 17 million Indonesia infected 8,211 deaths 689 population 274 million Mexico infected 11.633 deaths 1,069 there have been more murders in Mexico population 127 million. There are 987 dead in Florida , population 21 million. Ireland has a worse death rate than all of your examples. What is your point exactly? I have no issue discussing facts and figures , but if you are going to use them to try and ridicule what I am trying to say please get your fact right. There are no " very extensive outbreaks" in the countries you listed?
markjbloggs wrote: » What did you have for breakfast?
cnocbui wrote: » So I take it you agree the virus isn't airborne, masks don't work to protect the wearer and it's now safe for wet markets to be re-opened. :rolleyes: right back at ya.
maninasia wrote: » Eh
biko wrote: » It took 4 weeks to go from 0 to 1000 dead. It took 2 weeks to go from 1000 to 2000 dead. If this thing don't plateau we will see 3000 dead in a week or so.
wakka12 wrote: » They are the official figures and pretty useless if a country is not reporting most of it's deaths. Its why I said 'evidence of' extensive outbreaks in those countries. President of ecuador has himself stated that deaths are underreportedhttps://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/04/20/838746457/covid-19-numbers-are-bad-in-ecuador-the-president-says-the-real-story-is-even-wo As has the governor of Jakarta Indonesiahttps://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/04/04/asia-pacific/jakarta-funerals-unreported-coronavirus-deaths/#.XqLqVVNKgb0 Same story in Brazilhttps://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2020/apr/04/medics-in-brazil-fear-official-coronavirus-tally-ignores-a-mountain-of-deathshttps://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/21/world/coronavirus-missing-deaths.html Excess deaths in Indonesia and Ecudaor are thousands above monthly average. And the fact that Ireland has a higher death rate doesnt mean anything given that Ireland has experienced a short lived but widespread outbreak of COVID itself which was thankfully stopped pretty soon after it started..Anyway I wasnt ridiculing your point I dont know why you would take it personally. My point was exactly as I previously stated, there is evidence of extensive outbreaks in a number of countries with tropical climates.
plodder wrote: » An Indian colleague was telling me that it is spreading quite fast in parts of India where the weather is currently very hot (over 30 degrees) which is normal for there - Rajasthan.
biko wrote: » 17567 cases 2152 dead 12.25% deaths of known cases
biko wrote: » 17567 cases 2152 dead 12.25% deaths of known cases Numbers from FHMs own tracking pagehttps://experience.arcgis.com/experience/09f821667ce64bf7be6f9f87457ed9aa
thebaz wrote: » Why always quote this 12.25% death rate ? - when most people know that it is mainly the very sick that are being tested - young and healthy and asymtomatic are not getting tested, meaning the real death rate will be somewhere under 1% , according to experts and satisticians such as at Stannford University. This 12.25 figure will only generate extra fear in people that may be overly worried already.
IAMAMORON wrote: » Heat will not stunt the contagion of the virus from human to human, if it does at all. But there is growing argument around the temperature survival on cold surfaces, its' cousin Sars1 had similar frailties. Given India's population it is astonishing that more people are not being decimated. However I would not underestimate any natural antibodies prevalent amongst ethnic Indians to combat the virus. India is a hot bed for all sorts of diseases, as such Indian people have very robust immune systems. Given India's population of 1 billion people is it not fair to say that it's death toll of 723 is miniscule? I respect that your colleague probably knows more about how "fast " it is spreading though. Where is the epicentre in India?
coastwatch wrote: » I think the point biko is making is that Sweden's confirmed case numbers are a gross under estimate.
IAMAMORON wrote: » https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/09f821667ce64bf7be6f9f87457ed9aa Are they though? Why would they lie? I mean that. Sweden is an entirely progressive democracy, their citizens would simply not tolerate any cover ups from their government. I don't believe for a second that they are undercooking the numbers. It does look like they are only testing potential cases, but I have no issue with that given the global deficiency in test kits.
Hector Savage wrote: » Sweden aren't having lockdowns as they couldn't control their migrant population, it's that simple, they know it will bring more trouble.
wakka12 wrote: » Ecuador just reported 11500 new cases
