iamwhoiam wrote: » I didn’t for one minute think it would be down to a principal to organise it What I am saying is every cog will need to think outside the box and be open to suggestions.
jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: » Leo dismissed that principals can organise conditions for a return to schools without clear guidelines from Dept and minister when he spoke on Prime Time so they'll have to wait from instruction from further up the chain or be liable if it goes wrong.
iamwhoiam wrote: » It not up to the public to know how it could be done . Look at the work done to get hospitals sorted and testing up and running and supports in place . Everyone got involved and tried as best they could to make things work .Not only the HSE and the Department but at ground level the consultants , nurse managers and nurses had to re think and think outside the box Every small cog is vital in the effort to figure it out . And teachers are a cog in the wheel who need to be involved and pro active It takes the involvement of the Departments , The unions , the management , the principal and the whole staff and teachers .
Yosef Stocky Backspace wrote: » So, you want everything to open up and let the virus spread widely. You want to protect the elderly. You have no ideas on how this could be done.
jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: » Dunno why timetabling is taking that long if they know the starting date
CinemaGuy45 wrote: » This is a debate that needs to be had I don't have all the answers.
ZX7R wrote: » Minister of education has confirmed that the leaving cert will begin o Wednesday the 29th of July. Timetabling of the exams will be released during the first week of June. Source rte breaking news
Yosef Stocky Backspace wrote: » You keep saying schools need to reopen to me as if I disagree? I just want to know how you plan to effectively cocoon the elderly once lockdown ends and schools and workplaces reopen. You think that is the most important thing we should focus on - protecting the elderly. I'm just interested in how you see that happening given so many elderly people live with not elderly people? What pain do you envisage? Sacrificing the elderly who don't live alone? Or massive rehousing costs?
CinemaGuy45 wrote: » Do you think the Government should keep paying teachers full pay if the schools stay shut?
CinemaGuy45 wrote: » There is no solution to get out of this without some real pain but saying in lockdown past September is not viable schools need to reopen.
Yosef Stocky Backspace wrote: » Given the housing situation, a lot of teachers and school children live in multigenerational households with elderly people. But I wasn't referring just to students and teachers, more generally. Once schools are open everyone else will be working too. And yes, some may already be working while living with elderly family. And that's not ideal as it means the elderly person is essentially not cocooned, but the risk of bringing the virus home to them will then be higher than it us now as the spread of infection will obviously increase once everyone is on the move again. Yes, a solution will have to be found. This is the scenario you are suggesting, I was wondering what your solution is?
CinemaGuy45 wrote: » How many school children or teachers live with the over 70s? A solution will have to be found we can not stay on lockdown forever.
Yosef Stocky Backspace wrote: » Do you think it's feasible to rehouse the thousands of people who live with the over 70s? If not, how will they cocoon in any meaningful way once their cohabitants are back in school and work?
CinemaGuy45 wrote: » The focus must shift to protect the remaining care homes that have not suffered an outbreak and keeping elderly cocooned. The schools need to get back to business in September let this thing spread among the kids and get it over with.
CinemaGuy45 wrote: » A job listed as essential FOOD not going to say more as I do not want to be doxed.
TheValeyard wrote: » Which work is that?
CinemaGuy45 wrote: » Working from work with many other people.
TheValeyard wrote: » As a matter of interest you working from home or where?
Murple wrote: » Primary schools alone- over 559,000 children, over 37,000 teachers, over 10,000 SNA in more than 3,200 schools. You can also add in non teaching principals, secretaries and caretakers. Also add in bus drivers for many rural school based children and parents who would be bringing children to school and collecting them. You are looking at mobilising and mixing close to a million people. It is next to impossible to implement social distancing with younger children in primary school. Aside from the fact they would have no idea of how far 2 metres is, they also have no regard for personal space in general and operate largely on impulse. Most classrooms would only be big enough to allow 4-6 pupils at a time while maintaining social distancing. Toilet facilities are not adequate enough to allow for this when one toilet block of 3-4 toilets is shared between 3 or 4 classes. The problem is teachers are fully aware of the obstacles there are and this early who don't work in schools aren't. It's very easy to tell teachers to plan for implementing social distancing but as it stands, unless social distancing regulations change, it isn't possible to reopen schools and maintain social distancing properly.
Birdy wrote: » 509k children in 3,000 primary schools. Around 32,000 teachers. For a so called teacher, you spend a lot of time on here shooting down anyone who suggests reopening schools. Harris and Varadkar have as good as said they will be. YOU should be planning how you can implement social distancing in your school and classroom.
iguana wrote: » It was in the report of the WHO-China Joint Mission on Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) that was published in February. You can find it and read through it. But the specific paragraph on transmission from children reads; "The Joint Mission learned that infected children have largely been identified through contact tracing in households of adults. Of note, people interviewed by the Joint Mission Team could not recall episodes in which transmission occurred from a child to an adult." The German study into the boy infected in Austria only backs up the WHO's early findings from China. It was still right that we closed schools when we did, the early data could have proved as wrong as the early indications about lack of asymptomatic spread. But right now, the smartest thing to do would be to make no changes for children until we know more about if it really is true that they are not spreaders and then let them return to schools that are as near to normal as possible in September.
jrosen wrote: » A plan is a 2 way street. There is no point individual schools doing nothing and waiting until guidelines are ready. Schools should be planning based on their size, class size, students base. They should be highlighting their concerns at planning. Otherwise the guidelines will come through, schools will then object for many reasons and its all back to square 1. Right now teachers and principals are the ones that know their schools and their students best.
iguana wrote: » It was still right that we closed schools when we did, the early data could have proved as wrong as the early indications about lack of asymptomatic spread. But right now, the smartest thing to do would be to make no changes for children until we know more about if it really is true that they are not spreaders and then let them return to schools that are as near to normal as possible in September.
khalessi wrote: » How do you plan to open the schools safely for over 1 million students?
History Queen wrote: » Was that evidence not just based on one child not spreading? I wasn't aware there was widespread evidence of this. I did a quick google there and couldn't find it, can u send on a link please?
iamwhoiam wrote: » I am quite sure that staff could start by outlining their concerns , their suggestions , their ideas etc Try finding solutions not obstacles . The hospitals did , the supermarkets did , so I am sure a room full of teachers can at very least outline childrens needs and make suggestions
