Galwayguy35 wrote: » The Greens are hated outside urban areas and west of the Shannon, there's no way in hell they could ever be the largest party in the state.
Deleted User wrote: » Eamon ryan wont get this deal through the greens imo? Theres no appitide in greens to be fall guys for ff/fg again no matter how much they rub his ego...took near on a decade to get back to where they are Why throw it away for few handy pensions???,their front canditdate profile is quiet young and most have 20 plus years left in politics,would seem foolish to me,to go in with ff/fg from a long term view? The shinnerz were lambasted by some in 2016 for not going in,deos anyone still think this is a mistake given their performance last election? No reason the greens cant be largest party in state in few years,if they play their cards right imo
markodaly wrote: » You, see the difference between you and I? I will raise those figures once and move on, while you, will spend all day arguing and try and score cheap points, as evidenced by your last post. The figures in the North are what they are, like in the South. Now I have no idea if SF/DUP are playing a blinder or not. But perhaps their politicians should realise that they are actually in government somewhere and their electorate are looking to them for leadership. As I said, less twitter more governing.
all about the mane wrote: » Damn right I’ve slated her. She has made an absolute shambles of things since the election. And her with notions of Taoiseach. Hilarious.
hatrickpatrick wrote: » I have never in my life voted for SF before this election and I gave them my #2 in my constituency, where I normally put all four major parties at the very bottom of my ballot paper. I know many, many, many people my age (mid twenties to thirty) who gave them a high or first preference after never being interested in voting for them before this year. What changed since 2016? Rents went through the f*cking roof, peoples quality of life was utterly decimated from it compared with what people had become accustomed to, and Fine Gael's complete and utter pr!ck of a housing minister was insufferably smug about it, suggesting that people should be happy to be paying far more for far, far sh!ttier living conditions (specifically, describing the BARTA sh!te for €1,400 a month as a "boutique hotel" where you could rent a decent self contained studio for half that only a few years previous) while simultaneously and very publicly blocking the construction of proper social housing (the O'Devaney development was probably the biggest flashpoint among people in my social circle, at least from my own anecdotal observations). Here's the thing: That issue is not going away unless someone actually does something about it. Fine Gael are ideologically opposed to doing what needs to be done. Fianna Fail are, in their current iteration, ideologically opposed to doing what needs to be done. Both parties are directly responsible in different ways for the crisis we have in housing. The generation of voters who have experienced and are experiencing this clusterf*ck over the last two years are not going anywhere. FFG are not going to solve the problem, ergo this cohort of voters is never going to vote for them. And even if they do solve it, they will not be forgiven for the "let them eat cake" attitude they displayed, particularly throughout 2019 (I'm talking specifically about their attitude and the smugness with which they happily condemned a whole generation to a sh!t quality of life and acted as if that was something we should just learn to live with). The reason SF surged between their disastrous LE performance and their incredible GE performance is because the crisis boiled over during the summer of 2019. So many people I know who had been renting since the middle of this decade were evicted for one reason or another and returned after just a few short years to a rental market which expected them to pay orders of magnitude more than they had being paying for orders of magnitude sh!ttier accommodation. And FG - and their cheerleaders - refused to acknowledge that this was an actual problem. I can point to countless posts from this very forum in which people took the "tough, that's life, live with it" attitude despite the very obvious and very universal paradigm that moving from college education and part time work to full time employment is supposed to bring an increase in living standards, and certainly not a massive downgrade as has happened with everyone who lost their rental accommodation in the last year and has had to settle for something orders of magnitude less comfortable for a ridiculously higher price. Those people will not vote for FFG. Even if FFG solve the problem, personally I believe that people have been so screwed and hurt by their policies and their smug attitude to others' suffering that forgiveness just won't be a thing. Those I know who went through this situation feel a visceral hatred towards Fine Gael which in all honesty is more intense than the anger they felt at FF for destroying their prospects just as they were getting ready to leave secondary school in and around 2008. You don't get those people back on your side after treating them the way this generation has been treated by FG. Now, maybe you're right in that the specific vote for Sinn Fein is a transient thing. Perhaps it is. But it's not going back to FFG or their cheerleaders Labour and the Greens. If this generation's faith in SF collapses, their votes will go to SocDems, PBP, independents, and probably a new left wing party which will almost inevitably form in order to capitalise on any such SF collapse. Bottom line is, those voters will not go back to the civil war parties. Not after being wronged by both of them in such a deeply fundamental way.
Yurt! wrote: » Try to keep the quality of your posts up would you? You spent an inordinate amount of time slating a woman with outright sexist terms and having a cut at her when she had covid19. You're low-quality and a tremendous bore.
all about the mane wrote: » Whatever makes you feel better
Edgware wrote: » Of course he's not. One day in power is worth a 100 in opposition. We have enough ***** like the SDs sitting on the fence and looking forward to five years whinging. Joint leaders me arse!
Yurt! wrote: » You're a nasty sexist mane. That's the only point to be made here. Politics doesn't even come into it.
all about the mane wrote: » Ye must be raging ye are down to 4th choice now...after ‘winning’ the election
[Deleted User] wrote: » Eamon ryan wont get this deal through the greens imo? Theres no appitide in greens to be fall guys for ff/fg again no matter how much they rub his ego...took near on a decade to get back to where they are Why throw it away for few handy pensions???,their front canditdate profile is quiet young and most have 20 plus years left in politics,would seem foolish to me,to go in with ff/fg from a long term view? The shinnerz were lambasted by some in 2016 for not going in,deos anyone still think this is a mistake given their performance last election? No reason the greens cant be largest party in state in few years,if they play their cards right imo
Yurt! wrote: » Oh look, mane is back with his repetitive sexist garbage. How nice to hear the same scrot wheeled out over and over...
Yurt! wrote: » Wouldn't exactly call Lawless' defense of the hair-brained (that's bad bad bad even on the initial smell test) 'tore apart' when he got his sums wrong himself. Maybe FF need to sit down and articulate a credible housing policy before declaring victory on Twitter with bad sums on their own policy.
blackwhite wrote: » The ones that took him at least attempts to finally land on - after making mistakes that a LC student would be ashamed of? It took O'Broin over 24 hours to respond to Lawless initially, and the numbers he put up had one hell of an egregious error in them. It's fairly clear that some advisor in SF sent him the numbers, and he posted them either without understanding NPV enough to realise that they were massively flawed, or without looking at them at all Anyone with half a brain should be able to tell that the present value of €1.8m isn't €792m. He even admitted himself afterwards that he struggles with calculating NPV - which is a fairly fundamental thing that needs to be understood if you're looking at long term strategy. Yet somehow we've posters on here claiming that O'Broin's series of tweets demonstrate that it's the others who are economically illiterate?? His folks should be looking for a refund for those fees from Blackrock
Whelo79 wrote: » Ah but sure let's not post the accurate figures.https://twitter.com/EOBroin/status/1252289281688731653?s=19
blackwhite wrote: » I really wouldn’t be holding that tweet up as anything for O’Broin to be proud of. James Lawless tore him apart on the figures and even after much prompting it took multiple attempts for O’Broin to realise where his own mistakes were.https://twitter.com/lawlessj/status/1252277189279653894?s=21
Mortelaro wrote: » Eamon Ryan on six one just now not ruling anything out
Yurt! wrote: » Apologies for linking to extra.ie (never heard of it before), but this seems to be a summation of the goings on, and quite frankly, I'd agree with Eoin O'Broin on this one again. He called the FF 100 year lease plan 'stupidity,' and on initial inspection, that's exactly what it appears to be. I'd like to see more detail, as I'll give a policy a chance if it approaches looking decent, but this.... The main two parties are so painfully ridiculously bad on housing it hurts the brain. They're in no position to call anyone economic illiterates if they entertain with proceeding with something like this.https://extra.ie/2020/04/20/news/politics/fianna-fail-housing-plan
Ballso wrote: » Always the victim, always someone else's fault
aido79 wrote: » There is one mention of Leo in that article: "The ability for migrant seasonal agriculture workers to continue harvesting fruit and vegetables in other member states was specifically requested by EU leaders, including Taoiseach Leo Varadkar, during a video conference on 26 March."Where did he criticise Keelings?
However, when asked about the workers at a briefing on Friday, the Department of Health’s chief medical officer, Tony Holohan, said he was not comfortable with the idea of a company chartering a flight to bring in staff. He referred to “consistent public health advice” and said medical authorities would continue to keep the issue of travel on their agenda. In a statement on Friday night, Mr Varadkar said he “shares the discomfort expressed” by Dr Holohan.
markodaly wrote: » those younger people you harp on about, they will get jobs, buy a property, and become part of the establishment so to speak.
markodaly wrote: » Votes will therefore go back to FF/FG, they will not all just move to a new party.
markodaly wrote: » Again, a 25-year-old voter who has just graduated is a very different beast to a 45-year-old taxpayer voter and property owner.
hatrickpatrick wrote: » I have never in my life voted for SF before this election and I gave them my #2 in my constituency, where I normally put all four major parties at the very bottom of my ballot paper. I know many, many, many people my age (mid twenties to thirty) who gave them a high or first preference after never being interested in voting for them before this year.
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