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How will schools be able to go back in September?

shoppergal

Just wondering if anyone can give any insight into how schools could safely re-open in September?

Everyone I'm talking to is saying they won't be back until September but in my head I'm wondering how they'll re-open even in September? The virus will still be there with a vaccine still months away at that stage.

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thomasdylan

khalessi wrote: »

Indeed there are shortages, as they were badly paid for years, the wards were stripped of staff and told to continue to work at that level and at one stage the public perception of nurses was similar to that of teachers today, there was also a year or so with no graduates as they swapped over to degree courses so they fecked off abroad and who could blame them and we re still recovering from that.

That's a reason for the chronic shortage of nurses.

Part of the reason for the current acute shortages of Healthcare workers is that there is no-one to look after their children as schools and creches are closed and elderly relatives are cocooning . Particularly an issue for single parents.

As I said, in the UK, schools are staying open for Healthcare workers children which is helping ease the acute shortages.

khalessi

thomasdylan wrote: »

A country not doing well doesn't mean that everything they're doing should be ignored.

There's loads of stuff coming out of London on ventilator strategies. Should that be ignored because England made a hash of things in other areas?

There are massive shortages of Healthcare workers in Ireland. This is one thing England are getting right I think.

Indeed there are shortages, as they were badly paid for years, the wards were stripped of staff and told to continue to work at that level and at one stage the public perception of nurses was similar to that of teachers today, there was also a year or so with no graduates as they swapped over to degree courses so they fecked off abroad and who could blame them and we re still recovering from that.

Murple

normanoffside wrote: »

I've spoken to an expert today and they told me that children are not at risk. They may not even be able to catch or spread the virus.

An expert in what though?

ldy4mxonucwsq6

trapp wrote: »

I spoke to a parent today who feels there are more risks to keeping their child at home indefinitely.

The child hasn't seen his friends or teacher since early March.

The sports he plays have all been shut down and remain so.

He has become anxious, tempermental and withdrawn spending hours on computer games.

The parent is genuinely sad for their child.

In case you haven't noticed my poor friend the virus does not cause any serious health issues in children.

Agreed, this is the thing, you have to weigh up the risks and it appears that IF a child contracts the virus then all reports point to it being very mild dose for them in MOST cases.

On the other hand keeping them off could have a negative effect on their educational, social and mental needs, anyone who has kids can see this is not a normal situation for them and can't be sustained long term (vaccine is a long way off and is not a certainty).

Despite best efforts here at homeschooling, focusing on physical activities and some socialising remotely, the kids will want to see their friends and play together. This is normal and healthy behaviour for them.

Having weighed up those risks I'll be sending mine back once the schools are open again and they will be delighted to go back too.

Murple

Scruff101 wrote: »

I know several teachers none have been doing full days five days a week since the start of March. If secondary teachers can go back in July why not primary too.

Since the start of March? Really? And what were they doing till the 12th of March when schools actually closed? Which incidentally happened with about 2 hours notice and the only guidance from the department was to send home 2 weeks worth of work with the children.
Secondary teachers have been asked to go in to help with LC students only. They are not going in in July to resume normal timetabled lessons with all students.
Also imagine telling a child that you have been doing school work each day, missed out on a school tour, sports day, end of year party etc etc. and now, guess what, we are taking your summer holidays away on top of everything.

SusanC10

normanoffside wrote: »

I've spoken to an expert today and they told me that children are not at risk. They may not even be able to catch or spread the virus.

So why have some children caught it and died while infected ?

thomasdylan

khalessi wrote: »

And England is doing so well with battling Corona

A country not doing well doesn't mean that everything they're doing should be ignored.

There's loads of stuff coming out of London on ventilator strategies. Should that be ignored because England made a hash of things in other areas?

There are massive shortages of Healthcare workers in Ireland. This is one thing England are getting right I think.

normanoffside

Deleted User wrote: »

Even if their child is at risk? Which they will be in a school where social distancing can't realistically happen and shared toilets etc. That's sad.

I've spoken to an expert today and they told me that children are not at risk. They may not even be able to catch or spread the virus.

khalessi

thomasdylan wrote: »

In parts of a England, primary schools are staying open to look after the children of frontline workers and vulnerable children. Something similar should probably be done here. But won't.

And England is doing so well with battling Corona

thomasdylan

Deleted User wrote: »

Even if their child is at risk? Which they will be in a school where social distancing can't realistically happen and shared toilets etc. That's sad.

Children are mostly unaffected by this. There was a recent report in France that suggests children might not be big vectors either.

There are a huge amount of frontline workers with children, and all I know will have to send children back to school as soon as they're open.

In parts of a England, primary schools are staying open to look after the children of frontline workers and vulnerable children. Something similar should probably be done here. But won't.

kenmc

Opening the schools for the kids to go one day a week for 6 or 8 weeks has no benefit whatsoever; parents can't return to work as normal, since they've to be home the other 4.5 days the kids aren't in school (bear in mind primary school finishes either side of lunchtime), and will only increase the risk of a second wave occuring thus undoing most of the benefit of the last few weeks. Not a hope in hell the kids will not be all over each other, especially the under 8s or so who can't even remember to wash their hands after going to the toilet at the best of times, never mind after touching any door-handle etc

khalessi

Scruff101 wrote: »

I know several teachers none have been doing full days five days a week since the start of March. If secondary teachers can go back in July why not primary too.

How does it balance out as I know several who have been flat out teaching online since March

trapp

Scruff101 wrote: »

I know several teachers none have been doing full days five days a week since the start of March. If secondary teachers can go back in July why not primary too.

And the majority of teachers would gladly go back in July.

They might be outshouted by the more vocal minority however

SusanC10

Birdy wrote: »

No the plan seems to be a reopening on May 11th like France for 8 weeks. Each child doing 8 days of school and the rest of their work at home.

Teachers will have Fridays for planning next year; reports/booklists/calendar/SEN/graduation etc.

Have Communions been cancelled yet?

Source ?

RugbyLad11

Ray Donovan wrote: »

Hilarious. This guy thinks just 6 days after the country was in total lockdown (as much as possible) that primary schools are going to open. Classic!

Why not? This is the approach several eu countries are taking

Scruff101

Augeo wrote: »

That's a very decent suggestion.
However teachers have been working all during the lockdown. I can't imagine them working their holidays also.

I know several teachers none have been doing full days five days a week since the start of March. If secondary teachers can go back in July why not primary too.

trapp

Deleted User wrote: »

Even if their child is at risk? Which they will be in a school where social distancing can't realistically happen and shared toilets etc. That's sad.

I spoke to a parent today who feels there are more risks to keeping their child at home indefinitely.

The child hasn't seen his friends or teacher since early March.

The sports he plays have all been shut down and remain so.

He has become anxious, tempermental and withdrawn spending hours on computer games.

The parent is genuinely sad for their child.

In case you haven't noticed my poor friend the virus does not cause any serious health issues in children.

uli84

I am not in a position to homeschool my kid, honestly like, what am I supposed to do? He’s in the first class.

Ray Donovan

Birdy wrote: »

No the plan seems to be a reopening on May 11th like France for 8 weeks. Each child doing 8 days of school and the rest of their work at home.

Teachers will have Fridays for planning next year; reports/booklists/calendar/SEN/graduation etc.

Have Communions been cancelled yet?

Hilarious. This guy thinks just 6 days after the country was in total lockdown (as much as possible) that primary schools are going to open. Classic!

trapp

BanditLuke wrote: »

I've spoken to several other parents today about this issue. None will be sending their kids back to school this side of September so I think Leo's kite will have to be brought back home if that's the general consensus across the nation.

I understand your concern but you are ignoring reality my poor friend.

This virus isn't going anywhere before September.

We can't keep living like this for 2 years, the kids can't be put through this for another two years.

Getting each child back into school, even for a day a week each through June would be great.

If some parents choose not to attend that's their choice but the reality is anyone waiting for zero risk regarding the coronavirus will be homeschooling for the next few years.

[Deleted User]

uli84 wrote: »

I’ve spoken to several parents and all will be sending if re-opened.

Even if their child is at risk? Which they will be in a school where social distancing can't realistically happen and shared toilets etc. That's sad.

uli84

BanditLuke wrote: »

I've spoken to several other parents today about this issue. None will be sending their kids back to school this side of September so I think Leo's kite will have to be brought back home if that's the general consensus across the nation.

I’ve spoken to several parents and all will be sending if re-opened.

BanditLuke

Birdy wrote: »

No the plan seems to be a reopening on May 11th like France for 8 weeks. Each child doing 8 days of school and the rest of their work at home.

Teachers will have Fridays for planning next year; reports/booklists/calendar/SEN/graduation etc.

Have Communions been cancelled yet?

Lol

BanditLuke

I've spoken to several other parents today about this issue. None will be sending their kids back to school this side of September so I think Leo's kite will have to be brought back home if that's the general consensus across the nation.

wirelessdude01

Birdy wrote: »

No the plan seems to be a reopening on May 11th like France for 8 weeks. Each child doing 8 days of school and the rest of their work at home.

Teachers will have Fridays for planning next year; reports/booklists/calendar/SEN/graduation etc.

Have Communions been cancelled yet?

Where have you seen this information?

Communion and confirmation stuff comes from the church. Not decided by the school.

Murple

Birdy wrote: »

No the plan seems to be a reopening on May 11th like France for 8 weeks. Each child doing 8 days of school and the rest of their work at home.

Teachers will have Fridays for planning next year; reports/booklists/calendar/SEN/graduation etc.

Have Communions been cancelled yet?

Where did you see that?

Birdy

Scruff101 wrote: »

Would it not be possible for schools to open in July/August? Why the focus on May/June?

I get that July and August should be holiday time but these are unprecedented times. I'd feel more comfortable with that rather than rushing them back in May/June.

No the plan seems to be a reopening on May 11th like France for 8 weeks. Each child doing 8 days of school and the rest of their work at home.

Teachers will have Fridays for planning next year; reports/booklists/calendar/SEN/graduation etc.

Have Communions been cancelled yet?

[Deleted User]

Scruff101 wrote: »

Would it not be possible for schools to open in July/August? Why the focus on May/June?

I get that July and August should be holiday time but these are unprecedented times. I'd feel more comfortable with that rather than rushing them back in May/June.

That's a very decent suggestion.
However teachers have been working all during the lockdown. I can't imagine them working their holidays also.

Scruff101

Would it not be possible for schools to open in July/August? Why the focus on May/June?

I get that July and August should be holiday time but these are unprecedented times. I'd feel more comfortable with that rather than rushing them back in May/June.

iguana

As a parent the only real reason I send my child to school is for social interaction. He's seven, it's not so hard to help him learn everything he needs to know at his age and then some. But he's an only child and the only child in the extended family he sees regularly. School is important for him to learn social norms, to be around people who don't put him first all the time like family can't help but do. In terms of his overall health I believe that complete lack of peer interaction is potentially far more damaging for him than the virus could ever be. And while obviously the bigger risk has always been children as a vector rather than a victim, the evidence is pointing more and more to children not being a significant vector of Covid 19.

I'd be more than happy to send my son back to school one day a week to spend time with friends. But I'm not sure if the photos I've seen of the distancing happening in schools in Denmark is in the best interests of children's emotional health. I don't honestly know what kids are going to get out of it. It seems like a type of torture to have children sitting at a distance from other kids when they have been isolated for the previous 2 months. The educational benefit in those circumstances would be extremely limited for young children. And it's not going to provide anything significant in terms of childcare. The benefits of some sort of socially distanced schooling for Leaving Cert students are obvious, educationally and emotionally. But for everyone else, the type of return being mooted seems like a stunt rather than something of real benefit to anyone.