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John Waters & Gemma O'Doherty to challenge lockdown in the high Court

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Now I know they are going to get a lot of ridicule for this but the lockdown is almost certainly unconstitutional so I wish them luck. https://mobile.twitter.com/gemmaod1/status/1250421661062459399

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Shefwedfan

osarusan wrote: »

"Get yer hats scarves and badgiz."

"Get yer flags and Bunreacht na nEireannzzzzzz" :P

Widdensushi

the one with the crutch is leaning on it heavily in one photo and standing tall with it hanging off her arm taking a photo of the rest in another.

plodder

Lots of attention seekers do things that have potentially serious consequences; this could be one of them.

Personally, I think firing the "hate speech" cannon at them will only embolden them and is a bit sinister frankly. As it is, the case is adjourned for two weeks, so there will be nothing reported on it until then.

Shefwedfan

Widdensushi wrote: »

the one with the crutch is leaning on it heavily in one photo and standing tall with it hanging off her arm taking a photo of the rest in another.

That because she is on the old disability......can't be seen without the crutch in public or the social will take the money off the waster

Shefwedfan

plodder wrote: »

Lots of attention seekers do things that have potentially serious consequences; this could be one of them.

Personally, I think firing the "hate speech" cannon at them will only embolden them and is a bit sinister frankly. As it is, the case is adjourned for two weeks, so there will be nothing reported on it until then.

How? she is banging this drum now for how long?

As mentioned she had a meeting and less than 50 people showed up

Did they have 100 yesterday? not a hope.....she will soon lose interest once a TV camera is not pointed at her

Savecoronabeer

You only need to look at the reports of a spike in covid cases after rallies were held in various states across the US to see that the lockdown is definitely needed.

Shefwedfan

Savecoronabeer wrote: »

You only need to look at the reports of a spike in covid cases after rallies were held in various states across the US to see that the lockdown is definitely needed.

It wouldnt be the worst thing to happen if an outbreak happened in that group!!!

reg114

Where are Waters and O Doherty getting their money from ? Not merely to live from day to day but surely going to the high court costs bigtime , who is funding their tinfoilhattery?

It also has to be said the state have indulged her for far too long. Surely we have the legislation to convict her of hate speech and put manners on her with either community service or a custodial sentence. While the level of support her and her ilk is quite small at the moment, if their batsh$tcraziness and xenophobia go unchecked it will gather momentum and empower those who are disaffected, as it has in the States.

Im all for hearing opposing views but when you empower bigots and conspiracy theorists by giving them a platform through inaction, you are treading on thin ground. It was deeply offensive for the authorities to have allowed O Doherty to address her rabble within the confines of the Four courts yesterday like she was addressing a political rally. What message does it send that these idiots can swan in to one of the highest courts in the land and spout such utter tripe meanwhile flouting public health regulations we are all subject to in a pandemic.

There is clearly a psychiatric element at play here. O Doherty exhibits very obvious signs of paranoia, sociopathy and megalomania, throw in obsessive compulsiveness and you are looking at the full gamut psychological neuroses. As for her followers, each of them I think you would find are a tad damaged, disaffected and looking to 'belong' to some movement who aids them in blaming someone else for their woes. This is all textbook stuff, these personalty traits and their motivation is very boring and predictable but dangerous in the long run if not held in check.

Widdensushi

making a martyr of her would only feed the hatred

Shefwedfan

Widdensushi wrote: »

making a martyr of her would only feed the hatred

Getting a contagious virus and dying would hardly make gher a martyr.....thats just bad luck :P

Widdensushi

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Getting a contagious virus and dying would hardly make gher a martyr.....thats just bad luck :P

answer was meant for reg,conviction of hate crimes would only drive her on

Shefwedfan

Widdensushi wrote: »

answer was meant for reg,conviction of hate crimes would only drive her on

Oh I wouldnt convict the clown....

Better would be to either move her in with her mates in the North side.

Or move them all over so they are her neighbours!!!

Let see how long she lasts then

plodder

Shefwedfan wrote: »

How? she is banging this drum now for how long?

As mentioned she had a meeting and less than 50 people showed up

Did they have 100 yesterday? not a hope.....she will soon lose interest once a TV camera is not pointed at her

Not sure how serious you were really, but if you were, the price of free speech and democracy is having to put up with this nonsense. So that is what we should do imo.

Also, you don't need money to start a case like this in the High Court. If they get some big law firm on board to argue their case, then that's the time to ask who is funding them.

Shefwedfan

plodder wrote: »

Not sure how serious you were really, but if you were, the price of free speech and democracy is having to put up with this nonsense. So that is what we should do imo.

Also, you don't need money to start a case like this in the High Court. If they get some big law firm on board to argue their case, then that's the time to ask who is funding them.

Have I said to stop her freedom of speech?

I just said to not report in the media about it, that is not stopping her freedom. It just means she isn't getting the attention she clearly requires. Of course she is making money out of it, just look at the one with the crutch and the first thing on her twitter page is a paypal account to pay her

What I am saying is Gemma is not an idiot like some of the reason of them, she spotted a gap in the market and went after it, all with the knowledge she would get some money. If she is not in the news and nobody is interested she will move onto the next thing to make money

I bet if you met her in public she would laugh off this bulls**t, like most of these people do. Again look at the one in UK for reference.

Its a stretch, but Eddie Jones, the england rugby coach, so he says stuff because it pi**es people off and it keeps him in the press. Gemma cant coach rugby so this is her version.

growleaves

If anyone is wondering what type of people these are that were in the four courts yesterday, check out the salute the woman with the crutch is doing.

That isn't any kind of salute - she has an open palm.

growleaves

Lots of attention seekers do things that have potentially serious consequences; this could be one of them.

Is testing the constitutionality of laws via courts now considered a public danger?

growleaves

Interesting that Gemma O'D doesn't consider the high court to be party to any conspiracy

Annasopra

Mrs Shuttleworth wrote: »

That's true re costs and not only that, the Court has the power to award costs even if an applicant loses a JR case if the case is deemed sufficiently public interest. I think the Debenhams debacle proves that it is.

If anyone's actually bothered to read the detailed Court report from yesterday as opposed to just shouting "fruit loops" (yawn) the Judge acknowledged the applicants have raised issues on aspects of the legislation that will require serious examination.

Ah look, there ptobably are seriois issues but like speaking outaide the Courts Gemma started ranting outside the Courts to say they are taking this case to take paedophiles off the streets. Gemma and John are using the case to rile up absolute crazed conspiracy nutjobs.

Seth Brundle

growleaves wrote: »

That isn't any kind of salute - she has an open palm.

I'm not saying that she was sauting but a salute can be open palmed...

Seth Brundle

growleaves wrote: »

Interesting that Gemma O'D doesn't consider the high court to be party to any conspiracy

Betcha she will think that way if she loses.

The Nal

It wasn't a salute. Shes too thick to know what that is.

She has a paypal link on her twitter bio for some reason. Proper grifter. Imagine giving her money?! The poor people who fall for this shít.

freak scence

growleaves wrote: »

That isn't any kind of salute - she has an open palm.

should see her tweets

bring your trycolour , bunch of mongs

growleaves

I'm not saying that she was sauting but a salute can be open palmed...

Her palm is facing upwards. It is nothing like a military salute of any kind.

I've been following online political debates for years. Anyone who is photographed raising their arm for any reason faces lame accusations of being a secret fascist and I've seen dozens of people, from fringe politicians to mainstream politicians, accused of it.

RocketRaccoon

Has anyone got a clear photo of the moron in the wheelchair with a mask on from yesterday?

seamus

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Ah look, there ptobably are seriois issues but like speaking outaide the Courts Gemma started ranting outside the Courts to say they are taking this case to take paedophiles off the streets. Gemma and John are using the case to rile up absolute crazed conspiracy nutjobs.

This is it.

She has found a niche that is effectively unlimited in terms of explotation; people for whom there is no limit to nonsense, no such thing as hypocrisy, an endless willingness to believe so long as they can be a victim.

It's not about whether she considers the supreme court to have any authority. The outcome is irrelevant, win or lose she will use it to justify her position and the people who follow her will support it.

There's a lot of whining online about the Gardai not doing anything here. Claiming that the jailing of another man while ignoring this lot is proof of embedded racism.

The reality is that this crew wanted the Gardai to intervene. Their goal here is to provoke, to justify their victimhood. The Gardai need to find a balance in protecting the public interest. If they arrest these spanners, how many supporters will they gain? If they leave them alone, their ability to rally is limited.

The case has been adjourned now for a couple of weeks, nobody has been arrested. These idiots have nothing to talk about. They haven't won or lost, and they haven't been victimised by state oppression.

On a social level, this is about the best outcome there can be for now.

JohnnyFlash

podgeandrodge wrote: »

They are a slightly mad looking bunch.

Was there a sudden drop off in Journal.ie comments yesterday while this was taking place?

Merry Prankster

SureYWouldntYa wrote: »

One of the daftest things I've seen of her is the way she goes at the people in this shop for not selling pork. Just being flat out derogatory here

https://twitter.com/Ireunderworld/status/1249794142395342855

I can't actually believe this. Apart from the insensitivity and the anti-Muslim overtones, it's the hypocrisy of this that is particularly galling. The right-wing conspiracy types get so exercised about perceived infringements of free speech and personal liberty, yet here's O'Doherty deciding what someone can and cannot sell on their own premises.

They rail against the 'libtards' for denying freedoms, yet it is clear that many from the conspiracy theory ecosphere have authoritarian personalities, and their conception of 'freedom' is both narrow and oppressive.

The truly frightening thing is that such thinking, which helps empower tyrants around the world, is becoming ever more pervasive.

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growleaves wrote: »

Interesting that Gemma O'D doesn't consider the high court to be party to any conspiracy

She likely does. Guarantee you when this fails, she'll say it was a conspiracy.

gmisk

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Was there a sudden drop off in Journal.ie comments yesterday while this was taking place?

Christ what a collection of people...
Sideshow Bob at the front lol.
I thought there was a hundred at it? Where are the rest of them.

You think her and john waters would take the hint given their election results.

The video of her giving out in the RDS counting centre about the gardai getting LARGE pizzas, and that the pictures of the dogs were laughing at her was a highlight!

krissovo

podgeandrodge wrote: »

They are a slightly mad looking bunch.

Oh feck, just noticed that my cousin is in the crowd. He unfriended me and my father in law last week after we replied to nonsense conspiracy post. The last few years he has been slowly declining.