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Relaxation of restrictions

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Simon Harris curiously made a comment that there was a limit to how long people could put up with extreme level of restrictions as we currently have. Already we’re seeing in Italy that people are starting to get restless. So two big questions:

1) on Easter Sunday, do you think there will be further restrictions, no change with just an extension or some relaxation?

2) what will be the first thing rolled back?

My own guess would be: extension for at least 1 week. Then to allow some businesses like DIY shops to reopen, perhaps allow gatherings of 2/3 people, maybe a token increase on 2km.

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castletownman

Those per capita stats really annoy me. It's as if people are deliberately skewing the figures just so people can't derive hope that restrictions will start to ease soon.

Per capita, Ireland has the highest number of people injured per year playing hurling. Awful it is.

drunkmonkey

Stheno wrote: »

Yep North County Dublin want to know where you live and where you're going havent had any hassle in fairness

Loads of police on the beat even in my local area too

None around here we sent them all away to police the country:)

timmy_mallet

gozunda wrote: »

I reckon need to watch this film - I think its right up your street tbh ...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logan%27s_Run_(film)

The story "depicts a utopian future society on the surface, revealed as a dystopia where the population and the consumption of resources are maintained in equilibrium by killing everyone who reaches the age of thirty.

That and the evident gra for wanting to live in a totalitarian state. "Higher levels of death "? How about when the virus mutates and starts killing people in their twenties and younger - would you be still happy with your vision of utopia then or is it just the old fogies that you dont give a damn about?

Bit of a strawman arg, there.

"When" the virus mutates?

[Deleted User]

castletownman wrote: »

Those per capita stats really annoy me. It's as if people are deliberately skewing the figures just so people can't derive hope that restrictions will start to ease soon.

Per capita, Ireland has the highest number of people injured per year playing hurling. Awful it is.

I would've taught it gives a more accurate representation to compare with other countries

If lads are being honest,restrictions could likely be lifted virtually almost everywhere outside dublin (i think its down to 2/3 cases a day in waterford)....but that would be wrong on those living in dublin

Hopefully we never have to see em imposed again here

addaword

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I'm more muddled about the creches now after listening to Leo, think he has a problem with the healthcare workers demanding the creche staff and childminders go to their houses. Not sure how he's going to figure that one out.

Has Leo wondered ...if healthcare workers invited a creche worker in to their home, and they fell off a swing, who would pay?

Not sure how he's going to figure that one out either.

drunkmonkey

Wrong on those living in Dublin, are we really going to unnecessary penalise everyone because of Dubliners feelings might get hurt. The poor dubs with their pox and everyone else enjoying themselves, get me the violin.

castletownman

Deleted User wrote: »

I would've taught it gives a more accurate representation to compare with other countries

If lads are being honest,restrictions could likely be lifted virtually almost everywhere outside dublin (i think its down to 2/3 cases a day in waterford)....but that would be wrong on those living in dublin

Hopefully we never have to see em imposed again here

Genuinely think something like this should be possible. Leitrim, as an example, shouldn't be subjected to the same measures as Dublin. A rural bar in Leitrim wouldn't have anywhere near the footfall of any pub in the city, obviously.

Easier said than done of course- maybe reintroducing the Pale could do the trick

drunkmonkey

addaword wrote: »

Has Leo wondered ...if healthcare workers invited a creche worker in to their home, and they fell off a swing, who would pay?

Not sure how he's going to figure that one out either.

There all on his payroll now as he mentioned.

brick tamland

Localised lifting of restrictions isnt going to be a runner really. Like if you open up southern counties, all that will happen is thousand of tourists from dublin and the north will come down. Its everybody or nobody i reckon. Open Border is a big issue really. We have to align our easing with the north.

JRant

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I'm more muddled about the creches now after listening to Leo, think he has a problem with the healthcare workers demanding the creche staff and childminders go to their houses. Not sure how he's going to figure that one out.

That's a tricky one alright. He said he was waiting on a report to make a decision but I would have thought this should have been planned out weeks ago. Would need to be carefully managed as most case appear to be health care workers and those in residential settings so any child care they get would have to be solely for that particular family until they manage to curtail the spread in hospitals.

They absolutely deserve the support they are looking for IMO.

fleet_admiral

Dickie10 wrote: »

id say you wil have sheebeens popping up all over rural ireland in isolated pubs fairly soon. i know the two local pubs out in middle of countryside beside me will have special visitors fairly soon

There's a couple of pubs in the Rathmines/Harold's Cross area that are open at night. Its invite only and strict social distancing

drunkmonkey

brick tamland wrote: »

Localised lifting of restrictions isnt going to be a runner really. Like if you open up southern counties, all that will happen is thousand of tourists from dublin and the north will come down. Its everybody or nobody i reckon. Open Border is a big issue really. We have to align our easing with the north.

How are they going to get through all the roadblocks, even if they did they'd be beaten back home by the locals. Maybe do it by provience, open Munster first and see how it gets on, Leinster last as it's such a risk.

road_high

JoeA3 wrote: »

I've had word from my workplace (large multinational) that they're putting a plan in place for a gradual return to the office. We are being asked who would like to (or are able to) start returning to the office... I suspect that they've been in consolation with Government officials on this.

And Leo as good as admitted that the phased rollback will begin from May 5th.

It's happening lads. Thankfully. Much to the disappointment of the bunker dwellers on here of course.

Delighted to hear- a plan is coming together and the economy can kick start at long last. This could not have gone much longer economically as the Taoiseach conceded earlier

stephenjmcd

timmy_mallet wrote: »

Maybe I misunderstood. I am saying that this method if killing time till we die is not great, social interaction, sports, music, etc are far better ways of doing that and if the opportunity cost is slightly more death, than I think we need to get used to that.

I can put up with staying at home for a while, working during the day and watching Netflix in the evening and having a few drinks at the weekend but there is not a chance of me doint this whenever restrictions get lifted, I'll go to sporting events, gigs, social outings etc.

If anything this whole thing is making me more determined to enjoy life as much as possible, dont see why anyone thinks there'll be a massive change in attitude when we get through this, yes people will be much more aware of their health and realise that whenever they have a cough or a cold you stay away from people.

gozunda

timmy_mallet wrote: »

Bit of a strawman arg, there."When" the virus mutates?

The quote in context was

How about when the virus mutates and starts killing people in their twenties and younger - would you be still happy with your vision of utopia then or is it just the old fogies that you dont give a damn about?

So did you actually take a look at the the link then - no?

It's a scenario for you to think about - Yes it could mutate - it happened in the 1918 influenza outbreak. Yeah and I know this is not flu but it is still a virus we know fek all about. So would you be as happy for "increased levels of death" for young people or children for example? Or is it just older people you are happy to see die off?

Maybe rather than coming out with complete blather like previous- try and put yourself in other peoples shoes before welcoming glad tidings for "increased levels of death"....

addaword

drunkmonkey wrote: »

How are they going to get through all the roadblocks, even if they did they'd be beaten back home by the locals. Maybe do it by provience, open Munster first and see how it gets on, Leinster last as it's such a risk.

Good idea. Have roadblocks / checkpoints and strict fines / penalty points for those caught say 5 or 10km or more from home. So it would be workable.

JRant

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Wrong on those living in Dublin, are we really going to unnecessary penalise everyone because of Dubliners feelings might get hurt. The poor dubs with their pox and everyone else enjoying themselves, get me the violin.

Maybe there is an argument for having different restrictions in Dublin than the rest of the country. Stop people coming in or out unless they are health-care workers and reduce the COVID payment for anyone outside Dublin to basic jobseekers. Of course, that should also be applied to tax revenues generated in Dublin as well. Sure it would only be fair as Dublin would need more resources to successfully come out of the lockdown.

road_high

Stheno wrote: »

Online doesn't count tbh

All the rest bar pubs are allowed, if pubs are doing takeaway that's probably allowed too

Delivery and online aren’t the same as “open”. Posters listed a list of closed to the public businesses with online or phone ordering as open. That’s completely inaccurate

drunkmonkey

addaword wrote: »

Good idea. Have roadblocks / checkpoints and strict fines / penalty points for those caught say 5 or 10km or more from home. So it would be workable.

Give the Guards big sticks like India, beat the arse off then for even trying to get through the portloaise bypass.

road_high

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Give the Guards big sticks like India, beat the arse off then for even trying to get through the portloaise bypass.

There’s many posters here that would be salivating at the prospect...
On Facebook some have virtual orgasms at the latest Garda snaps of criminal walkers “caught” walking in parks or up mountains. What will they do in a few weeks?

FintanMcluskey

road_high wrote: »

There’s many posters here that would be salivating at the prospect...
On Facebook some have virtual orgasms at the latest Garda snaps of criminal walkers “caught” walking in parks or up mountains. What will they do in a few weeks?

They will go back watching Eastenders and Jeremy Kyle

Speakerboxx

I personally think restrictions are being eased far too easily. We need to go beyond June before starting to ease back.

addaword

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Give the Guards big sticks like India, beat the arse off then for even trying to get through the portloaise bypass.

If it meant some sort of normality could return to areas least affected by the virus, well worth it. Would have to be policed though. Who would have thought 6 weeks ago we would now be 3.5 weeks in to a 2 km lock-down though?

It is not sustainable for ever.

road_high

Speakerboxx wrote: »

I personally think restrictions are being eased far too easily. We need to go beyond June before starting to ease back.

Is that a personal opinion or something based on data and scientific modelling?
Because I’ve rather had my fill of the later and the associated hysteria has played far too big a role rather than a focus on the actual hotspots ie nursing homes

c montgomery

Speakerboxx wrote: »

I personally think restrictions are being eased far too easily. We need to go beyond June before starting to ease back.

I personally think they should not lift restrictions until november 17th.

Speakerboxx

road_high wrote: »

Is that a personal opinion or something based on data and scientific modelling?
Because I’ve rather had my fill of the later and the associated hysteria has played far too big a role rather than a focus on the actual hotspots ie nursing homes

Because we are still are in the heat of battle here. Dont be naive to think we have got the better of it.

[Deleted User]

Its impossible to prevent head lice in primary schools and children in creches havent a clue about social distancing, sneezing and coughing.

Covid 19 would spread like wildfire in these settings.

road_high

Speakerboxx wrote: »

Because we are still are in the heat of battle here. Dont be naive to think we have got the better of it.

Right so that’s a personal opinion then with added sound bites. Glad we could clear that one up

road_high

c montgomery wrote: »

I personally think they should not lift restrictions until november 17th.

No, I think go with the 25th to be safe. 2022.

Speakerboxx

road_high wrote: »

Right so that’s a personal opinion then with added sound bites. Glad we could clear that one up

I think you should take it as a precautionary measure. You are the expert here it seems