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Relaxation of restrictions

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Simon Harris curiously made a comment that there was a limit to how long people could put up with extreme level of restrictions as we currently have. Already we’re seeing in Italy that people are starting to get restless. So two big questions:

1) on Easter Sunday, do you think there will be further restrictions, no change with just an extension or some relaxation?

2) what will be the first thing rolled back?

My own guess would be: extension for at least 1 week. Then to allow some businesses like DIY shops to reopen, perhaps allow gatherings of 2/3 people, maybe a token increase on 2km.

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Gael23

NPHET meeting today so we might have some sort of indication whats happening

celt262

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

It could be great gas altogether re the pubs.

Book a socially distanced table via an app, no standing or going to the bar.

Staff behind screens, no table service. Self service on a conveyor belt like the sushi shops. The app will tell you when your drinks are ready like Wetherspoons! Tap card only.

One hour only in a pub, one person at a time in the toilets.

A fine for the publican if gathering within the 2m zone happens except for the group at the table. Those on their own sit outside.

Ah I'm just thinking out loud and having a laugh. Any other suggestions?

Alexa Playing the tunes

Cork Boy 53

There may be some limited reopening of rural pubs with restricted numbers allowed in parts of the country during the summer but pubs in urban areas in Dublin or the Eastern region will not reopen on 5th May or any time in the near future.

Glenomra

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

It could be great gas altogether re the pubs.

Book a socially distanced table via an app, no standing or going to the bar.

Staff behind screens, no table service. Self service on a conveyor belt like the sushi shops. The app will tell you when your drinks are ready like Wetherspoons! Tap card only.

One hour only in a pub, one person at a time in the toilets.

A fine for the publican if gathering within the 2m zone happens except for the group at the table. Those on their own sit outside.

Ah I'm just thinking out loud and having a laugh. Any other suggestions?

Or do like Sweden. Allow groups of 50 people to congregate using their own common sense.

easypazz

skallywag wrote: »

You cannot reasonably expect people to keep to social distancing in a pub environment where alcohol is being consumed en masse.

I am sick to the teeth of it now as much as everyone else, but I have resigned myself to the fact that pubs opening will be one of if not the last thing to return.

Why?

Surely publicans have the right to try it and see?

lord quackinton

We are told the law backs our right to choose
It’s our body it’s our choice

I going to be honest to all of you
I will be joining a few boys in a pub this Friday for lots of beers
Lock in

It’s not breaking the law as we are carrying out an extensive survey on the property

Tipp hurling classics will be on the television

I will enjoy thank you

robinph

easypazz wrote: »

Reduced capacity, seating only, beer gardens, extra partitions between sections.

No hanging around at the counter.

Its not rocket science.

That works for a rural pub with only a handful of patrons as that is basically what their cost of running has always been based on.

It also works for a restaurant and cafe who can remove a couple of tables to spread people out a bit more, stick an extra couple of Euros on the price and their capacity to earn won't be greatly affected. They would still be getting just a fraction less people through.

For a big pub, stadium, gig, festival though it being cost effective is based on every available bit of standing room being occupied and people buying crate loads of beer in very quick time whilst in close proximity to each other. You'd need to reduce capacity to at least 30-40% of what they would normally have to keep people distant from each other and then it's really not worth bothering to open the doors or sell the tickets.

[Deleted User]

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

It could be great gas altogether re the pubs.

Book a socially distanced table via an app, no standing or going to the bar.

Staff behind screens, no table service. Self service on a conveyor belt like the sushi shops. The app will tell you when your drinks are ready like Wetherspoons! Tap card only.

One hour only in a pub, one person at a time in the toilets.

A fine for the publican if gathering within the 2m zone happens except for the group at the table. Those on their own sit outside.

Ah I'm just thinking out loud and having a laugh. Any other suggestions?

Realistically if the rules are that stringent people will just have house parties instead. You're paying 5/6 quid for a pint instead of 2 for a can because of the craic, the atmosphere. If that's removed by social distancing rules it will just increase the amount of drinking at home, which for younger people would result in house parties.

martingriff

easypazz wrote: »

Reduced capacity, seating only, beer gardens, extra partitions between sections.

No hanging around at the counter.

Its not rocket science.

Then add in alcohol and guess what yo get

DeVore

pjohnson wrote: »

The people desperate to get pubs open seem incredibly unaware of how pubs function.

It really does seem like that...

I mean, I love an aul pint but what are they going to do in towns and cities on a FRiday and Sat night? Have they ever BEEN to a place called Temple Bar?

>.<

easypazz

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

There may be some limited reopening of rural pubs with restricted numbers allowed in parts of the country during the summer but pubs in urban areas in Dublin or the Eastern region will not reopen on 5th May or any time in the near future.

Nobody is seriously suggesting May 5th, but some time in June, with restrictions, is a distinct possibility.

They can't open rural pubs only, the M50 wouldn't be able to handle the exodus.

martingriff

easypazz wrote: »

They play football matches in pubs now?:rolleyes:

Have you ever been in a pub when a match is on

helimachoptor

helimachoptor wrote: »

For what it's worth, I was in the local coffee shop (South county Dublin), there's a pub across the road.

The pub owner was speaking with the owner of the coffee shop, he said 'he's been told: phased opening of pubs from 2nd weekend in May but not full/normal occupancy til weekend after June Bank Holiday.
He was complaining that once he's open again he's to pay full rates etc even if he only permitted to have 10% and he was arguing for rates should match the step up % in customers allowed in.

I wasn't involved in the conversation, just listening in.

I was out for a run, said pub had all the doors open and a serious cleaning underway..

robinph

Deleted User wrote: »

But they can’t stay shut until a vaccine because a vaccine might never arrive. So whether May, September, next January or June or whenever it is, they will reopen (or what’s left of them). Why single out pubs? How is social distancing on Grafton street at 1pm on a sunny Saturday afternoon going to be enforced? Or any crowd, or indeed players, at a sports match? Or a big family wedding? Or dating, for that matter? All these things will resume at some stage in the absence of a vaccine.

This is never going away. We will live with it, and hopefully treatment will continue to get better over coming weeks and months

It's not going away, so we have to rethink how socialising happens and the existing model of cram as many people in to as small a space as possible whilst throwing beer at them isn't going to work anymore.

New ways of socialising will need to be found. No idea what they might be, but what was happening in city centres every weekend until a couple of months ago isn't it anymore.

martingriff

easypazz wrote: »

Nobody is seriously suggesting May 5th, but some time in June, with restrictions, is a distinct possibility.

They can't open rural pubs only, the M50 wouldn't be able to handle the exodus.

By June your living in la la land. Can you really suggest a workable way in a pub where alcohol is served social distancing can be done

Spanish Eyes

AdamD wrote: »

Realistically if the rules are that stringent people will just have house parties instead. You're paying 5/6 quid for a pint instead of 2 for a can because of the craic, the atmosphere. If that's removed by social distancing rules it will just increase the amount of drinking at home, which for younger people would result in house parties.

I know, I was just hopping a ball there.

When you think about it the smoking ban was successful because it was to protect workers in social situations. Surely the same has to happen to protect them from the virus.

And I know shopworkers are exposed, but numbers allowed in are limited and social distancing in the aisles and at the cashier is very well observed, well from my fortnightly trip of the day to the local supermarket.

We will see.

Gael23

When restauraunts reopen they will be able to cater for less numbers. If they use that as a justification to jack their prices up they may as well not bother opening

Mitch Connor

Gael23 wrote: »

When restauraunts reopen they will be able to cater for less numbers. If they use that as a justification to jack their prices up they may as well not bother opening

Their rents and rates may be as they were.

Staffing costs would be slightly reduced, food costs would have some reduction as well. I'd guess heating, lighting would be the same.

The less people you have coming in the door, the tighter the margins will be.

I don't see how restaurants could possibly continue with the same prices as previously - especially if there is no take-out business.

People are going to have to get used to some things costing more than they did before.

robinph

easypazz wrote: »

Nobody is seriously suggesting May 5th, but some time in June, with restrictions, is a distinct possibility.

They can't open rural pubs only, the M50 wouldn't be able to handle the exodus.

What is different about June from May?

seamusk84

I just want to have a pint on a Saturday afternoon when I'm coming back from a walk. Just allow them open from noon to 6pm for the rest of the year.

Strict numbers and social distancing between tables etc. No sitting a the bars. Increase beer garden area.

Each pub can then choose to open or not under the restrictions. We need to have some kind of bloody summer.

easypazz

martingriff wrote: »

Have you ever been in a pub when a match is on

Yes I have. But if capacity is reduced to seating only and no standing then its not an issue.

Ferris_Bueller

martingriff wrote: »

By June your living in la la land. Can you really suggest a workable way in a pub where alcohol is served social distancing can be done

You could say the same for schools, colleges, big offices, sports clubs, gyms.. Are they all going to stay closed until there is a vaccine too?

theological

robinph wrote: »

It's not going away, so we have to rethink how socialising happens and the existing model of cram as many people in to as small a space as possible whilst throwing beer at them isn't going to work anymore.

New ways of socialising will need to be found. No idea what they might be, but what was happening in city centres every weekend until a couple of months ago isn't it anymore.

We need to find and adapt to a new normal while we wait for a vaccine. I tend to agree with other posters that pubs, restaurants and cafes will be the very last thing to come back on stream.

Perhaps seeing family and friends in small numbers will come before this though. I at least hope so.

Mitch Connor

martingriff wrote: »

By June your living in la la land. Can you really suggest a workable way in a pub where alcohol is served social distancing can be done

seating only.
table service only.
distance between the tables.

Though it depends on what Social Distancing you are looking for. If it remains that you can't be around people from outside your house, then yeah - no way a pub opens.

But if the intention is more around staff safety, or keeping distances between different groups (from a contact tracing perspective) than there are some options.

niallo27

robinph wrote: »

What is different about June from May?

4-6 weeks is massive, just think of how much has changed since this all started 6 weeks ago. Everything is moving so fast

Spanish Eyes

I know I will be seen as negative, but realistically how can someone serve you either food or drink or both while the customers are 2metres apart, but the server is breathing down your neck.

Self service maybe. Just musing....

JoeA3

Ferris_Bueller wrote: »

You could say the same for schools, colleges, big offices, sports clubs, gyms.. Are they all going to stay closed until there is a vaccine too?

Not really to be fair. There is some hope of control and contact tracing in a school/college class/office but no hope whatsoever in a pub realistically.

stephenjmcd

robinph wrote: »

It's not going away, so we have to rethink how socialising happens and the existing model of cram as many people in to as small a space as possible whilst throwing beer at them isn't going to work anymore.

New ways of socialising will need to be found. No idea what they might be, but what was happening in city centres every weekend until a couple of months ago isn't it anymore.

You keep referencing anymore, at the moment things arent going back to the way there were, I think everyone accepts that. But whenever places do reopen be in 6 months or whatever do you really think people wont socialise in bars, restaurants etc.

From my own group of friends, with a broad age range, everyone intends on going for our few pints on a Friday after work or meeting up to watch a match one Saturday evening.

It'll all happen again, when that is we dont know

martingriff

easypazz wrote: »

Yes I have. But if capacity is reduced to seating only and no standing then its not an issue.

HA HAHAHA Ya right

theological

niallo27 wrote: »

4-6 weeks is massive, just think of how much has changed since this all started 6 weeks ago. Everything is moving so fast

I think data would need to back up the argument that the virus wouldn't massively spread on reopening them. We're a long way from that point.