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Relaxation of restrictions

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Simon Harris curiously made a comment that there was a limit to how long people could put up with extreme level of restrictions as we currently have. Already we’re seeing in Italy that people are starting to get restless. So two big questions:

1) on Easter Sunday, do you think there will be further restrictions, no change with just an extension or some relaxation?

2) what will be the first thing rolled back?

My own guess would be: extension for at least 1 week. Then to allow some businesses like DIY shops to reopen, perhaps allow gatherings of 2/3 people, maybe a token increase on 2km.

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easypazz

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

It seems anyone who is ok to adhere to the governments measures until they say otherwise, with minimum fuss, is some kind of lock-down-brigade lunatic who never wants to go outside again. Personally I've done more walking and jogging in my local area and park than I ever have.

I have adhered to all the guidance and will continue to do so, I don't think anybody on here would consider me a "lockdown merchant"

normanoffside

DeVore wrote: »

The Mater's ICU beds have been full since the 8th.

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0408/1129248-dublin-mater-icu/

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/coronavirus-icu-in-dublin-s-mater-is-full-amid-warning-over-staffing-1.4223904

Why are you posting a 'scare' article in Bold that:

a) is not true (there are an additional 18 ICU beds now available and not being used in the Mater- only the original 18 beds are full)

b) is an article from over a fortnight ago

c) takes no account of the fact that they are concentrating the Covid ICU patients into a few hospitals and there are ICU available in other hospitals.

Actual (current) ICU numbers have been down almost day on day since those articles were written.

road_high

easypazz wrote: »

I have adhered to all the guidance and will continue to do so, I don't think anybody on here would consider me a "lockdown merchant"

Same. I've stuck rigidly to it. No where is open in any case. But i can see the lunancy in crowds in certain supermarkets yet the local small family businesses are forced to close just because the governement said so. Is there some immunity form Covid 19 these places have had I'm not aware of?

Breezin

skallywag wrote: »

Perhaps the one good thing that will come out of all of this is that most people's grasp of statistics should at least improve significantly :pac:

By reading Boards? Ya think?

stephenjmcd

ixoy wrote: »

For now. Do you genuinely believe it's forever?

I suppose it's what age you define younger people but I've spoken to a number of people in their 20s and they completely understand the need right now but they are absolutely not enjoying it and looking very much forward to seeing it relaxing.

I'm 25 and I'm supportive of the measures, likewise are all I'm close with, we're getting on with it, all lucky to still be in work but far from enjoying any of it. Looking forward to being able to do simple things like going to see family. But at the same time we're looking forward to all being able to go out socially again, whenever the time comes be in 2 months 4 months whatever it might be

road_high

Paddygreen wrote: »

Folks, stay indoors ( unless you are exercising within your permitted radius). Please listen to what the experts are saying. I have noticed people walking in my estate who I know for a fact live more than two kms away. I open my window and give them a piece of my mind when I see them.( I have a mask on and the road is five meters away from the window.)

You should put up one of those “Stay the fcuk at home” signs too. That would really tell them

Paddygreen

c montgomery wrote: »

Haha, id stop giving them a piece of yiur mind, sounds like your loosing enough of it.

Yeah, I am losing my mind with these people when I see them in my estate. They are taking advantage of the fact that we have a substantial green area. I know that they are outsiders from beyond the 2km radius who have no business here. You had better get used to concerned citizens like me hollering from their windows if you are beyond your permitted area. I usually say "you're not from around here" and "excuse me, what's your eircode" and if no response I will remind them of the rules laid down by experts.

road_high

Paddygreen wrote: »

Yeah, I am losing my mind with these people when I see them in my estate. They are taking advantage of the fact that we have a substantial green area. I know that they are outsiders from beyond the 2km radius who have no business here. You had better get used to concerned citizens like me hollering from their windows if you are beyond your permitted area. I usually say "you're not from around here" and "excuse me, what's your eircode" and if no response I will remind them of the rules laid down by experts.

Is this a parody account? Surely has to be?

Downlinz

ixoy wrote: »

For now. Do you genuinely believe it's forever?

Some level of restrictions will be in place for months or even years, humans will adapt to a new way rather than continuing to think of themselves as acting with temporary measures.
I don't think we'll remember the day when Covid-19 is no longer a threat as it'll happen so slowly and gradually but a pandemic like this in the west was a long time coming considering some of the other outbreaks the rest of the world has had to deal with it in recent times. It's not unthinkable something like this could happen again in our lifetimes so it's hard to imagine some precautionary behaviour not becoming ingrained.

I think in 10 years time we'll read lists on things people used to do before the pandemic and feel surprised some behaviour was so common and accepted when we've adapted so completely to other ways.

Ferris_Bueller

jmayo wrote: »

Ok we keep hearing from posters, usually the young healthy ones I would bet, but sometimes the complete ar**holes who seem to consider older people's lives inconsequential to their own, is that we need to open the economy back up.

But lets look at what opening the economy back up realistically means.

There simply will not be any mass gatherings for God knows how long, so that rules out sporting events and concerts, even outdoor ones.
Social distancing will be preserved to some degree for the foreseeable future.

Pubs can open, but looking at the attitude of a fair few posters around here what kind of social distancing will be possible in pubs?
It will be like the eejits getting tanked out of their tree on holy Thursday, as if they will never see a drink again.

Restaurants, especially the more expensive ones, rely on a lot of older people with more disposable income as their customers.
What will they do?
Even if restaurants open, will they make enough money if they have to enforce social distancing and thus have a major loss of seats?

In some parts of the country restaurants rely on tourists.
A lot more jobs rely on tourists, but does anyone realistically think we will have foreign tourists entering the country?
Maybe the young ones here who don't care will go on holiday in Ireland, because they as sure as shyte are not going to be going overseas, unless they fancy a possible time in quarantine when they get there or when they come back.

There are other areas of the economy that can resume, but social distancing has to be kept in place to some degree.
Construction can open back up.
Retail can open with restrictions, but retail relies on disposable income and that is definitely down now.

Also a lot of export related activity is reliant on foreign markets all of which are heavily hit.

Schools and colleges present issues with regards social distancing as you have large numbers congregated in small spaces.
And even if the occupants of those spaces have low mortality rate if they were to get the virus they mostly live at home with older relatives.

Sports clubs, gyms and swimming pools opening provide challenges to social distancing of any kind.
Who thinks that the local soccer club or GAA club can get back to training never mind playing when it involves scores of people in close proximity ?

We have already seen that parks, beaches, and beauty spots are overrun by muppets with no real social distancing when they are open.

There has to be gradual opening, but anyone that thinks we have carte blanche opening is in cloud cuckoo land.
EDIT:
someone above mentioned returning to normality.
This is going to be part of the new normal.

Good and reasonable post. There has to be an a gradual re-opening of the above services and facilities but what that will look like will probably be very different to how it was before, at least in the short term.

There have been a lot of posters stating the pubs won't be open until 2021, 2022, until there is a vaccine, etc. but if that is the case then I can't see places like schools, colleges, gyms, sports clubs opening until then either. Forget about events like weddings, christenings, funerals etc. All of these things require people in very close proximity.

The country cannot go until there is a vaccine without all of the above, they will have to re-open everything eventually and each service will have to find it's own way of working to the guidelines as best as possible. We're not in this alone, the whole world will have this issue, so we will adapt. But to say that these things won't open for another year is just scaremongering.

road_high

Downlinz wrote: »

Some level of restrictions will be in place for months or even years, humans will adapt to a new way rather than continuing to think of themselves as acting with temporary measures.
I don't think we'll remember the day when Covid-19 is no longer a threat as it'll happen so slowly and gradually but a pandemic like this in the west was a long time coming considering some of the other outbreaks the rest of the world has had to deal with it in recent times. It's not unthinkable something like this could happen again in our lifetimes so it's hard to imagine some precautionary behaviour not becoming ingrained.

I think in 10 years time we'll read lists on things people used to do before the pandemic and feel surprised some behaviour was so common and accepted when we've adapted so completely to other ways.

Don’t think so. Human life will return and evolve just as it did post 1918.

Breezin

Paddygreen wrote: »

Yeah, I am losing my mind with these people when I see them in my estate. They are taking advantage of the fact that we have a substantial green area. I know that they are outsiders from beyond the 2km radius who have no business here. You had better get used to concerned citizens like me hollering from their windows if you are beyond your permitted area. I usually say "you're not from around here" and "excuse me, what's your eircode" and if no response I will remind them of the rules laid down by experts.

For the love of God.

road_high

Breezin wrote: »

For the love of God.

I'd have thought by talking/engaging with these people ("outsiders") the OP would be actually increasing his risk of contracting Covid? Rather than if he stayed locked in his dungeon minding his own business!

HeidiHeidi

VonLuck wrote: »

In my view it'll reach a point where it will be up to the individual whether they want to risk being closer than 2m with a loved one and potentially put their health in jeopardy. Admittedly the risk would be pretty low, but a risk to be considered nonetheless.

It's not about that individual getting infected.

It's about how many other people they go on to infect if they do contract the virus.

Spencer Brown

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

That's never going to happen, how are you going to police crowds going in and out?

The crowd isn't going to be that big if a stadium is half full.

There are ways around this if we are creative. We can't keep people apart completely everywhere, social distancing in busy cities will be nigh on impossible. It will be about doing as much as we practically can.

[Deleted User]

Breezin wrote: »

For the love of God.

There’s no way the poster is being serious.
He/she would have no windows to shout out from behind.

Paddygreen

road_high wrote: »

I'd have thought by talking/engaging with these people ("outsiders") the OP would be actually increasing his risk of contracting Covid? Rather than if he stayed locked in his dungeon minding his own business!

I have every right to monitor what is going on outside my house. The footfall has increased and most of the increased footfall is outsiders. Some even have their little snotbag kids with them. People with dogs who let them urinate on the corner of my wall. I have had enough, sick of it.

[Deleted User]

Paddygreen wrote: »

Yeah, I am losing my mind with these people when I see them in my estate. They are taking advantage of the fact that we have a substantial green area. I know that they are outsiders from beyond the 2km radius who have no business here. You had better get used to concerned citizens like me hollering from their windows if you are beyond your permitted area. I usually say "you're not from around here" and "excuse me, what's your eircode" and if no response I will remind them of the rules laid down by experts.

What are you going to do when all these restrictions are relaxed, which they will be at some stage before we get a vaccine (on the basis that we might never get a vaccine)? The only variable re. relaxation of the 2km limit and of outdoor exercise etc is one of timing. And then expect a deluge of people enjoying the outside. If you are that concerned then you will just have to stay inside and protect yourself

Spencer Brown

Deleted User wrote: »

What are you going to do when all these restrictions are relaxed, which they will be at some stage before we get a vaccine (on the basis that we might never get a vaccine)? The only variable re. relaxation of the 2km limit and of outdoor exercise etc is one of timing. And then expect a deluge of people enjoying the outside. If you are that concerned then you will just have to stay inside and protect yourself

Find a new thread to be a "character" on.

Loafing Oaf

Deleted User wrote: »

If you are that concerned then you will just have to stay inside and protect yourself

He's not. It's a spoof account.

h2005

If restrictions are to be lifted, is it from midnight May 5th? Going to book the day off in the hope I can get a round of golf in!

Viscount Aggro

Im already getting a round of golf in...
7am job, Dublin 6 area.
Greens are in great nick.

normanoffside

Viscount Aggro wrote: »

Im already getting a round of golf in...
7am job, Dublin 6 area.
Greens are in great nick.

Just don't be licking other people's golf balls and you should be fine.

[Deleted User]

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

He's not. It's a spoof account.

Yeh, just looked back at his posts. A spoof account for sure

[Deleted User]

road_high wrote: »

........But i can see the lunancy in crowds in certain supermarkets yet the local small family businesses are forced to close just because the governement said so...........

Supermarkets sell food.
Plenty small local businesses have not been foreced to close, if they sell food or any other essential service.

[Deleted User]

Paddygreen wrote: »

I have every right to monitor what is going on outside my house. The footfall has increased and most of the increased footfall is outsiders. Some even have their little snotbag kids with them. People with dogs who let them urinate on the corner of my wall. I have had enough, sick of it.

I think you overplayed your hand with that post, and became your own caricature

Loafing Oaf

Deleted User wrote: »

Yeh, just looked back at his posts. A spoof account for sure

We have a few hardline lockdown advocates on here but I don't think any quite this extreme:P

On the spot fines for first time offenders. Electronic tagging for repeat offenders. Tazer for anyone who diaobeys or doesn't comply immediately with law enforcement. The possibility of detention/internment camps for repeat offenders should also be explored. There are several possibilities that could be used for such a purpose, the marts are closed for example and could quickly be turned into secure detention facilities.

Cork Boy 53

normanoffside wrote: »

Just don't be licking other people's golf balls and you should be fine.

I had to read that post again to be sure this word was included in the comment.:eek:

jibber5000

Lackey wrote: »

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/health/coronavirus-77-more-people-die-in-state-in-worst-daily-toll-1.4233480%3fmode=amp

Long-term residential facilities account for 406 of the deaths that have occurred, including 77 probable or suspected death.

Nursing homes account for 337 deaths, including 61 probably or suspected deaths.

Apologies
The reporting on this is as clear as mud
Is the number of residential client deaths 406?
Or is it 329 deaths
With another 138 possible deaths?
Or is it combined 605 deaths?

There's an issue with the recording of the deaths. Ie any nursing home residents transferred to hospital who dies appears to be counted in both subsets.

True number is 60% of all death as of 18/04 were nursing home/residential home residents.

It is confusing the way the figures have been framed.

KrustyUCC

h2005 wrote: »

If restrictions are to be lifted, is it from midnight May 5th? Going to book the day off in the hope I can get a round of golf in!

I would have thought midnight 4th of May as the previous restrictions were up to midnight on Easter Sunday

Open to correction though