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Relaxation of restrictions

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Simon Harris curiously made a comment that there was a limit to how long people could put up with extreme level of restrictions as we currently have. Already we’re seeing in Italy that people are starting to get restless. So two big questions:

1) on Easter Sunday, do you think there will be further restrictions, no change with just an extension or some relaxation?

2) what will be the first thing rolled back?

My own guess would be: extension for at least 1 week. Then to allow some businesses like DIY shops to reopen, perhaps allow gatherings of 2/3 people, maybe a token increase on 2km.

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pjohnson

completedit wrote: »

But it shows why they practice elderly killing in indigenous tribes. When times are tough, it's the natural way for humans to cut the fat.

Jaysus thats the third "open upper" in 24 hours delighted to write off the elderly. Just cant wait for that juicy inheritance can ye?

awec

The lockdown has been effective, but it’s not the solution long term. It’s far too risky. Social distancing is the only show in town until we find either a vaccine, an effective treatment, or in the worst case develop herd immunity.

The restrictions will be gradually eased in a safe way. The lockdown has given businesses a chance to figure out how they can trade safely in a socially distant world. It has given offices a chance to figure out how they’ll manage their staff in a socially distant world, and it has given the health service a chance to figure out how it can most effectively deal with this.

From May on were likely to see gradual returns to normality, at least as normal as you can be with social distancing. Things won’t be like they were before, but they’re not going to stay like they are now.

Piece in the examiner today that suggests construction sites will be up and running again for certain projects (social housing etc). Sounds like a sensible move. No interaction with the general public, controlled site access, good candidate for initial measures.

addaword

Speakerboxx wrote: »

We had 79 deaths today. Double that of Sunday

We are not out of the woods yet, unfortunately.

[Deleted User]

facehugger99 wrote: »

The phrase 'misery loves company' is very apt.

These past few weeks has really been an eye-opener at the amount of people with absolutely nothing of value on their lives, constantly logged onto social media and braying for tighter and tighter lockdowns.

They need to realise the rest of us are not going to live in their fear-caves with them

If they keep up the €350 payment I don't mind staying in isolation for another couple of years.

storker

VonLuck wrote: »

It's amazing after so many weeks into the restrictions that people still don't know why the measures are in place.

They do know why. It's the evil world guv'mints attacking everybody's freedom. Or something.

completedit

What does a true collapsed healthcare system look like And what are the repercussions?

I was listening to some NPR show the other day and Ali think they mentioned the cost of a healthcare system collapse in the states would be astronomical so our lockdown is the only thing we can do.

Imagine the societal scar if we just let elderly people die off in such a blatant way? The whole concept of how we view civilized would be thrown on its head. But it shows why they practice elderly killing in indigenous tribes. When times are tough, it's the natural way for humans to cut the fat.

snowcat

jester77 wrote: »

Not true, take Hokkaido for example. Daily cases down to just a few day, they lift restrictions and only 26 days later they have to re-impose the restrictions.

Read carefully what I said. Hokkaido never had a significant outbreak before they eased.

Pitch n Putt

VonLuck wrote: »

It's amazing after so many weeks into the restrictions that people still don't know why the measures are in place.

No wonder we have so many people saying to end the lockdown ASAP!

People do realise what the lockdown was supposed to achieve. I’ve said it before on here.

What’s difficult for people to understand is why we’re constantly bombarded with news /spin about all the capacity that’s been created throughout the country and it’s still available for use.

There’s no point having something if your not prepared to actually have to use some of it.

We hear about this many beds that many beds available whilst 1 million people receive state assistance and the country is mostly shutdown and slowly going down the drain

Nermal

Idbatterim wrote: »

But what about Italy and their staggering 12% mortality rate?

He should have ended the interview at this point, he was clearly being interviewed by a simpleton.

facehugger99

drunkmonkey wrote: »

We have to give up on this vaccine idea, it's a pipe dream, should grandparents never be allowed within 2 meters of their grandchildren again, should the over 70's never be allowed a normal life, will kids not be allowed play together, were in 1984 and a lot of people are wishing it stays that way. There are severe mental health issues with these people and I wonder if they ever knew what it was like to be free, I'm assuming there mainly city dwellers living in cramped isolation most of their lives and the social to them is media. Sad, sad people.

The phrase 'misery loves company' is very apt.

These past few weeks has really been an eye-opener at the amount of people with absolutely nothing of value on their lives, constantly logged onto social media and braying for tighter and tighter lockdowns.

They need to realise the rest of us are not going to live in their fear-caves with them

SNNUS

I really don't understand the whole we must lock down until vaccine.. A vaccine is just a possibility not a certainty and would be years off. Plan A cannot go on indefinitely, We have to live with the virus for now and the future guidelines should reflect this..

[Deleted User]

costacorta wrote: »

May 4th I presume a state of the nation address

It'll be the Friday before the Bank Holiday I'm guessing. Gives proper notice and we'll get a general timeline of what's to come.

average_runner

drunkmonkey wrote: »

It can't if it's surpressed, what can is the likes of the Government allowing people through our borders with no forced isolation under lock and key for a month. Keelings and the UK traveller convoy the other day have shown how limp wristed they are when it comes to stopping the spread. They literally have undone all our efforts, the guards look like a shower of sheep farmers afraid to tackle the wolves. The travellers have already told them to go f themselves and their lockdown the rest of us won't be far behind.

Keelings crowd are living in isolation right now.

niallo27

VonLuck wrote: »

That would be very short notice for businesses to reopen, if that turns out to be one of the reduced measures.

Bushiness have already being told to open, I am involved with 3 vendors and all are going back on site this Thursday or next Monday. Its reduced staff but its a start.

El_Duderino 09

drunkmonkey wrote: »

We have to give up on this vaccine idea, it's a pipe dream, should grandparents never be allowed within 2 meters of their grandchildren again, should the over 70's never be allowed a normal life, will kids not be allowed play together, were in 1984 and a lot of people are wishing it stays that way. There are severe mental health issues with these people and I wonder if they ever knew what it was like to be free, I'm assuming there mainly city dwellers living in cramped isolation most of their lives and the social to them is media. Sad, sad people.

The vulnerable people will have the choice to go out any take their chances. They have the choice to take their chances now as cocooning is only advised for those groups. They will just have to accept that they are at high risk of contracting the disease and dying as a result.

Their choices are to either stay cocooning at low risk of death or to go out with a higher risk of death. And it is a choice.

jester77

snowcat wrote: »

Not entirely true. The purpose of the initial lockdown was to prevent an initial surge in hospitals overwhelming them This has been largely achieved. There is now a lot of infected and recovered cases and a degree of immunity in the system . It is early yet but any country that had a significant outbreak and a subsequent decline in cases has not seen a further surge after easing lockdown.

Not true, take Hokkaido for example. Daily cases down to just a few day, they lift restrictions and only 26 days later they have to re-impose the restrictions.

drunkmonkey

Mic 1972 wrote: »

The simple logic is that lifting the restrictions will bring us back to the start of the outbreak

It can't if it's surpressed, what can is the likes of the Government allowing people through our borders with no forced isolation under lock and key for a month. Keelings and the UK traveller convoy the other day have shown how limp wristed they are when it comes to stopping the spread. They literally have undone all our efforts, the guards look like a shower of sheep farmers afraid to tackle the wolves. The travellers have already told them to go f themselves and their lockdown the rest of us won't be far behind.

average_runner

drunkmonkey wrote: »

There's no vaccine for any other coronavirus after decades of research, you also need about 90% of the population to take this vaccine to provide immunity. Do some seriously believe the whole world is going to have to take a shot of something that hasn't been tested over years and years. They have no clue about vaccines. I for one won't be taking a shot of anything which has only been tested for a year or two after it's discovered.

That will be your choice, but you might not be allowed to travel as a result.

snowcat

Mic 1972 wrote: »

The simple logic is that lifting the restrictions will bring us back to the start of the outbreak

Not entirely true. The purpose of the initial lockdown was to prevent an initial surge in hospitals overwhelming them This has been largely achieved. There is now a lot of infected and recovered cases and a degree of immunity in the system . It is early yet but any country that had a significant outbreak and a subsequent decline in cases has not seen a further surge after easing lockdown.

drunkmonkey

road_high wrote: »

You cannot just magic up a vaccine as some people seem to think. You need trials, reems of data to support its safety and efficacy. Not going to happen for a long time

There's no vaccine for any other coronavirus after decades of research, you also need about 90% of the population to take this vaccine to provide immunity. Do some seriously believe the whole world is going to have to take a shot of something that hasn't been tested over years and years. They have no clue about vaccines. I for one won't be taking a shot of anything which has only been tested for a year or two after it's discovered.

road_high

Mic 1972 wrote: »

The simple logic is that lifting the restrictions will bring us back to the start of the outbreak

Why?

average_runner

Mic 1972 wrote: »

The simple logic is that lifting the restrictions will bring us back to the start of the outbreak

Not if done in a control environment. If we can control the numbers and have 24-48 hr testing we will ease the pressure on the ICU.

Wont see pubs or nightclubs for a long time

Mic 1972

The simple logic is that lifting the restrictions will bring us back to the start of the outbreak

road_high

drunkmonkey wrote: »

We have to give up on this vaccine idea, it's a pipe dream, should grandparents never be allowed within 2 meters of their grandchildren again, should the over 70's never be allowed a normal life, will kids not be allowed play together, were in 1984 and a lot of people are wishing it stays that way. There are severe mental health issues with these people and I wonder if they ever knew what it was like to be free, I'm assuming there mainly city dwellers living in cramped isolation most of their lives and the social to them is media. Sad, sad people.

You cannot just magic up a vaccine as some people seem to think. You need trials, reems of data to support its safety and efficacy. Not going to happen for a long time

Mic 1972

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

No. The death announced today include deaths going back to April 3rd.

Maybe the same is happening with the daily new cases? it is possible that some days are lower/higher than others because numbers may not always be available at the time of reporting and get added later
The daily new cases also show unexpected spikes and then sudden drops. I'm interested in today's results

road_high

average_runner wrote: »

But food outlets especially in the city will struggle for another 2 months, as offices won't be at near capacity for a long time, maybe never again as companies will.see working from home will save in rent and can do hot desks

That’s very true. The big beneficiaries of this have been the supermarket conglomerates. Rents are completely out of kilter with what business will be there

drunkmonkey

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Social distancing is here until a vaccine is found.

We have to give up on this vaccine idea, it's a pipe dream, should grandparents never be allowed within 2 meters of their grandchildren again, should the over 70's never be allowed a normal life, will kids not be allowed play together, were in 1984 and a lot of people are wishing it stays that way. There are severe mental health issues with these people and I wonder if they ever knew what it was like to be free, I'm assuming there mainly city dwellers living in cramped isolation most of their lives and the social to them is media. Sad, sad people.

average_runner

road_high wrote: »

I’m noticing this week in particular food outlets that can are trying to reopen. I assume they just can’t take anymore and it’s a choice of closing down completely or doing something. The lockdown will gave to come to its natural end now I think.
Looking back at texts from my gym back in early March almost look comical now- they were closing down for two weeks! And at the time that seemed incredible. A lot has gone on since then

But food outlets especially in the city will struggle for another 2 months, as offices won't be at near capacity for a long time, maybe never again as companies will.see working from home will save in rent and can do hot desks

VonLuck

average_runner wrote: »

Wont be too much happening, DIY shops will open, sine small shops and construction sites

Even still, hard to have staff prepared to work with less than 12 hours notice.

road_high

VonLuck wrote: »

That would be very short notice for businesses to reopen, if that turns out to be one of the reduced measures.

I’m noticing this week in particular food outlets that can are trying to reopen. I assume they just can’t take anymore and it’s a choice of closing down completely or doing something. The lockdown will gave to come to its natural end now I think.
Looking back at texts from my gym back in early March almost look comical now- they were closing down for two weeks! And at the time that seemed incredible. A lot has gone on since then