lord quackinton wrote: » America have less deaths per million then Ireland and Donald trump is being called a war criminal for his handling of the crisis I have read articles in Irish media and many posts on boards attacking trump for his handling of the crisis
ReginaldSmythV wrote: » You were so outraged you decided to make things worse? Top notch work there.
lord quackinton wrote: » Sweden have under 2.3 times our deaths and twice our population AND NO LOCKDOWN America have less deaths per million then Ireland and Donald trump is being called a war criminal for his handling of the crisis I have read articles in Irish media and many posts on boards attacking trump for his handling of the crisis From the very start of I have posted on here that this lockdown was pointless The number of deaths were never high enough to suggest we shut down our economy If this virus is the threat that the government the media and posters on here maintain it is then Explain what happened in Sweden and what happened in AmericaI want everyone here to have a good think about what freedom means to them the freedom to make decisions for yourselves and for your families When this government demands that over 70s cocoon long term until a vaccine is ready then tell this government go to hell Stand with your parents and your grandparents and other elderly relatives and if they want to live their lives as they see fit and decide to not cocoon then back them up with fists if necessary remember you are proud free thinking Irish people And if you want to go for a walk on a beach or go for a cycle in the mountains then just get on with it We are supposed to tell the state what to do but the state has become more and more powerful and now tells us what to do and increasingly are entering our own homes telling us what to do My lockdown ended when I read the news about keelings - so should yours
lord quackinton wrote: » I want everyone here to have a good think about what freedom means to them the freedom to make decisions for yourselves and for your families When this government demands that over 70s cocoon long term until a vaccine is ready then tell this government go to hell Stand with your parents and your grandparents and other elderly relatives and if they want to live their lives as they see fit and decide to not cocoon then back them up with fists if necessary remember you are proud free thinking Irish people And if you want to go for a walk on a beach or go for a cycle in the mountains then just get on with it We are supposed to tell the state what to do but the state has become more and more powerful and now tells us what to do and increasingly are entering our own homes telling us what to do My lockdown ended when I read the news about keelings - so should yours
GazzaL wrote: » They'll have to relax restrictions. I've already put "Get the ride" in my diary for the 5th of May. I can't change that.
briany wrote: » America have less deaths per million than Ireland because most of their deaths are occurring in New York so far. I'm not entirely sure what makes anyone think that people from other parts of the States won't be catching this disease and that the New York situation won't be repeated elsewhere in the US, especially after restrictions are lifted.
jmayo wrote: » For all those claiming that this only affects especially the old and the compromised, just think about the hundred odd NHS and care workers that have died from this in the UK. 27 NHS workers have been offically confirmed by government. Some of them are not that old. And it is now believed that the viral dose that one is exposed to has huge effect on how bad one gets it. If we had wholesale infections then we have drastic increase in numbers needing medical attention, and increased numbers needing ICU treatment. That then increases the possible exposure of our healthcare professionals and staff. Ultimately it means the nice little 0.4% that is often trotted out by some posters here jumps by an order of magnitude. Here is pic of some NHS/heathcare staff that have died in UK. Just imagine it being one of your relatives that work in HSE here. And most of us have a relative or friend working in healthcare somewhere.
BanditLuke wrote: » Why do people keep bringing up NY? NY is part of the US. Dublin has most of Ireland's deaths, Dublin is part of Ireland. The mental gymnastics in here to suit agendas will do down in history.
Stateofyou wrote: » How do you account for the modeling then, Lord Quack, of which figures painted a story of an absolute **** show without those measures.
lord quackinton wrote: » When this government demands that over 70s cocoon long term until a vaccine is ready then tell this government go to hell Stand with your parents and your grandparents and other elderly relatives and if they want to live their lives as they see fit and decide to not cocoon then back them up with fists if necessary
BanditLuke wrote: » Sorry to inform you John but China have stopped exporting sex dolls. You are sh1t out of luck.
growleaves wrote: » Er those models turned out to be inaccurate. Why would someone need to account for predictions from a model which was false?
Stateofyou wrote: » Source?
BanditLuke wrote: » Will be delighted if restrictions are relaxed by July.
easypazz wrote: » “What we’re working on at the moment is a plan that will be ready by the end of April-early May in advance of the May 5th big day if you like. And what we hope to set out is a step-wise plan which indicates how we would reopen the country in different steps and what are the criteria that would have to be met to move from one stage to the next.” Even Leo is ramping May 5th as "the big day"
BanditLuke wrote: » He didn't say big day though did he :pac: You have a lot riding on this one pal, it's going to be like your xmas
growleaves wrote: » Post #8132
Stateofyou wrote: » Hmm, I'm not sure I'm talking about the same thing. Hasn't Simon Harris been mentioning that we have been flattening the curve, it's working, and the cases would have been x if we hadn't have... etc. That's what I've had in mind- is that the same thing? The point I was making though, was that efforts in flattening the curve are worth it, that 'lockdown' isn't for nothing. Are people now saying there was no point to it?
lord quackinton wrote: » Sweden have under 2.3 times our deaths and twice our population AND NO LOCKDOWN America have less deaths per million then Ireland and Donald trump is being called a war criminal for his handling of the crisis I have read articles in Irish media and many posts on boards attacking trump for his handling of the crisis From the very start of I have posted on here that this lockdown was pointless The number of deaths were never high enough to suggest we shut down our economy If this virus is the threat that the government the media and posters on here maintain it is then Explain what happened in Sweden and what happened in America I want everyone here to have a good think about what freedom means to them the freedom to make decisions for yourselves and for your families When this government demands that over 70s cocoon long term until a vaccine is ready then tell this government go to hell Stand with your parents and your grandparents and other elderly relatives and if they want to live their lives as they see fit and decide to not cocoon then back them up with fists if necessary remember you are proud free thinking Irish people And if you want to go for a walk on a beach or go for a cycle in the mountains then just get on with it We are supposed to tell the state what to do but the state has become more and more powerful and now tells us what to do and increasingly are entering our own homes telling us what to do My lockdown ended when I read the news about keelings - so should yours
growleaves wrote: » I, alone among posters, have said that the lockdown has not been scientifically proven to be efficacious (that's just a fact, whatever about the emotions it stirs up in you). Other people have said that I'm an idiot.
growleaves wrote: » Sorry I don't have data to hand about Professor Nolan's models for the NPHET Advisory Group. I, alone among posters, have said that the lockdown has not been scientifically proven to be efficacious (that's just a fact, whatever about the emotions it stirs up in you). Other people have said that I'm an idiot. Analyses about the exact effectiveness of the lockdown will have to wait until there is more data and the lockdowns have ended. There are un-locked-down countries which are within the average for deaths. That doesn't look good for proponents of lockdown. However some of these, like Taiwan, have a unique set of restrictions which are in some way even stricter than our measures but didn't involve locking down in the sense that we use that expression.
alwald wrote: » What country amongst those seriously hit (10k + confirmed cases) succeeded in managing the virus the best? Let me answer this question for you, it's China (Wuhan) and they have done it via a serious and severe lockdown. The fate of countries with less restrictions like Sweden is unknown at this stage, but I wish them all the best!!
