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Relaxation of restrictions

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Simon Harris curiously made a comment that there was a limit to how long people could put up with extreme level of restrictions as we currently have. Already we’re seeing in Italy that people are starting to get restless. So two big questions:

1) on Easter Sunday, do you think there will be further restrictions, no change with just an extension or some relaxation?

2) what will be the first thing rolled back?

My own guess would be: extension for at least 1 week. Then to allow some businesses like DIY shops to reopen, perhaps allow gatherings of 2/3 people, maybe a token increase on 2km.

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jmayo

For all those claiming that this only affects especially the old and the compromised, just think about the hundred odd NHS and care workers that have died from this in the UK.
27 NHS workers have been offically confirmed by government.

Some of them are not that old.
And it is now believed that the viral dose that one is exposed to has huge effect on how bad one gets it.

If we had wholesale infections then we have drastic increase in numbers needing medical attention, and increased numbers needing ICU treatment.
That then increases the possible exposure of our healthcare professionals and staff.

Ultimately it means the nice little 0.4% that is often trotted out by some posters here jumps by an order of magnitude.

Here is pic of some NHS/heathcare staff that have died in UK.

Just imagine it being one of your relatives that work in HSE here.
And most of us have a relative or friend working in healthcare somewhere.

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drunkmonkey

castletownman wrote: »

No kids, but missing the fact that my working life is the tourism industry during the week and reporting on live sporting events at the weekend, both of which are fooked for the foreseeable.

So actually, the ability to have a pint would at least take the edge off things.

Is the donkey derby happening this year?

stephenjmcd

BanditLuke wrote: »

No, deaths are the only true indicator of how we are doing.

A ramping up of enforcement is needed countrywide but especially in the Dublin region.

You do realise some of these deaths notified today occurred as far back as the first week in April ? It's not 77 from the last few days.

It was said and shown in the charts during the press conference

polesheep

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Not just restrictions for the most vulnerable groups. A repeat of what is in place now the only difference being stricter enforcement of the rules.

Nope. We now know exactly who this virus is killing. The days of claiming that it also decimates healthy young people are long gone. We shield the vulnerable and get on with life. As we should have done right from the start.

alwald

Idbatterim wrote: »

yes the fact that they are hyper conservative here, was good on this front, its going forward, that is going to be the issue! The "ah shure its grand" approach :rolleyes:

Only a foolish government won't open the economy back little by little once the numbers are improving...I can only judge their measures so far and I will judge their future measures once announced and not before.

Cork Boy 53

BanditLuke wrote: »

Shocking numbers today. As I said last week the lacklustre attitudes of some and absense of enforcement of the soft lockdown is going to cost us all big time. Still no wearing of masks whilst outside not compulsory is a farce.

Chances of withdrawal of restrictions over the first 2 weeks of May is now very unlikely.

Whatever case may be made for the rest of the country I can`t see any justification for restrictions to be eased for Dublin and surrounding counties after 5th May.

ldy4mxonucwsq6

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

If there is a second wave of the virus next autumn/winter as is quite likely to be the case and no vaccine or treatment has been developed by then that is what will happen.

People just won't tolerate another lockdown, there would be public anarchy.

And I say that as someone who has been in lockdown since the day the schools closed and who follows the guidelines strictly.

We cannot afford another go at this, not financially/economically and not mentally either.

[Deleted User]

Idbatterim wrote: »

yes the fact that they are hyper conservative here, was good on this front, its going forward, that is going to be the issue! The "ah shure its grand" approach :rolleyes:

You don't know what the going forward plan is.

Icyseanfitz

stephenjmcd wrote: »

You do realise some of these deaths notified today occurred as far back as the first week in April ? It's not 77 from the last few days.

It was said and shown in the charts during the press conference

Sure if that's the case we might as well stop taking numbers for anything virus related, who knows wether today's numbers are from last month or the future

pjohnson

Hana Teeny Snob wrote: »

People just won't tolerate another lockdown, there would be public anarchy.

And I say that as someone who has been in lockdown since the day the schools closed and who follows the guidelines strictly.

We cannot afford another go at this, not financially/economically and not mentally either.

Thats why we need to try and do it right. Not moronically rush to open things meaning all the effort till now was for nothing.

Not everyone is intelligent enough to follow guidelines.

completedit

What do we do? What's our best exit strategy? We are just going to seem inhumane now given that we all decided en mass this was the best way forward, now the situation will be the exact same but the morality of it has changed because, why? Sweden's approach and UK's earlier approach was better because it was honest and consistent.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Is the donkey derby happening this year?

The current plan is yes, but behind closed doors.

addaword

Hopefully if everyone acts properly in the next 2 weeks we can all start to getting back to some sort of normality starting May 5th. What annoys me is some non-essential shops, like an sports shop, currently admitting customers on the quiet if they ring first, the number being on their door and facebook page, and their facebook page even in huge letters saying they are open for appointments and clothing fittings.

pjohnson

completedit wrote: »

What do we do? What's our best exit strategy? We are just going to seem inhumane now given that we all decided en mass this was the best way forward, now the situation will be the exact same but the morality of it has changed because, why? Sweden's approach and UK's earlier approach was better because it was honest and consistent.

The UK approach that they quickly realised was a failure and had to change was better?

stephenjmcd

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

Sure if that's the case we might as well stop taking numbers for anything virus related, who knows wether today's numbers are from last month or the future

Well no because in Ireland you've an extremely long time to notify a death, CMO said last week they're trying to get that changed so that the daily number given out is as accurate as possible.

Again ICU numbers and hospitalisation are key indicators

drunkmonkey

In theory it's possible nobody died today with the state of the reporting.

Assetbacked

To date, we have achieved the aim of flattening the curve with the first wave of measures. Numbers reflect this. As such, a gradual easing of restrictions is on the cards and careful monitoring of the ability of the health service to manage the increased cases (which will likely increase again) is presumably the next step after May 5th. If it is felt we need to go stricter again with measures, the decision will be made. A measured and careful approach to sail the ship through the waves of this pandemic is the prudent approach until there is sufficient proximity to the vaccine rollout. Foreign travel will come at a cost of self or even forced quarantining upon entry and re-entry into the state, this is essential.

hmmm

The Germans are reporting their estimate of R0 is now 0.9, after falling to 0.7

There is very little scope to relax restrictions

alwald

We are beginning to see the positive impact of the restrictions put in place as the numbers are just beginning to improve. All going well the figures should continue to improve over the next couple of weeks, that's my hope anyway.
We will get to a stage where the danger won't be the virus itself, but rather the ignorant/stupid people who will behave irresponsibly and put us all at risk...don't discard the possibility of having these restrictions back if that happens.

Strumms

Idbatterim wrote: »

is it? listen if its just about saving lives, resume things here and use the billions in savings v the current draconian lockdown to save collossal numbers of starving africans...

We are not responsible here for starving Africans.

We are responsible for us. The health, safety and security and wellbeing of the people in this country are of paramount importance. If we all knuckle down and endeavor to be and ARE disciplined these measures will overall be a success and the country will emerge from it with minimal damage and minimum casualties..

stephenjmcd

hmmm wrote: »

The Germans are reporting their estimate of R0 is now 0.9, after falling to 0.7

There is very little scope to relax restrictions

Where did you see this 0.9 ?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

hmmm wrote: »

The Germans are reporting their estimate of R0 is now 0.9, after falling to 0.7

There is very little scope to relax restrictions

The only realxed them this morning - give it a chance!

Charles Babbage

tobefrank321 wrote: »

We should have the hospital capacity for 50-60 age group. But if someone has a known underlying condition, we should continue to pay them the covid19 welfare payment of 350 a week to stay at home.

Its about minimising the risk, you aren't going to eliminate it, just minimise it over the long term - cocooning will have to remain, as will social distancing. Also masks on public transport should be obligatory as they appear to be in Spain.

Hospital capacity is only part of the story. People will die and people in this group whole aren't much more than halfway through their lives.

What is a known condition, a few extra Kg, high blood pressure (under control), asthma?

hmmm

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Where did you see this 0.9 ?

https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus/Situationsberichte/2020-04-20-en.pdf?__blob=publicationFile

"The current estimate is R= 0.9 (95% confidence interval: 0.8-1.1) and is based on current electronically notified cases (20/04/2020, 12:00 A.M.) and an assumed mean generation time of 4 days"

polesheep

Idbatterim wrote: »

That government, Harris, Varadkar, the lot of them, they are despised by many here, have ZERO credibility and have the authority of the boy scouts! I honestly cant see their plan , which is basically no plan,to be tolerated here for much longer , like I said, given how disliked they are, based on their pathetic governance and lack of action, these last few years!

Going further, does anyone know how to find out who is on nphet and how they come to be appointed?

FintanMcluskey

jmayo wrote: »

For all those claiming that this only affects especially the old and the compromised, just think about the hundred odd NHS and care workers that have died from this in the UK.
27 NHS workers have been offically confirmed by government.

Some of them are not that old.
And it is now believed that the viral dose that one is exposed to has huge effect on how bad one gets it.

If we had wholesale infections then we have drastic increase in numbers needing medical attention, and increased numbers needing ICU treatment.
That then increases the possible exposure of our healthcare professionals and staff.

Ultimately it means the nice little 0.4% that is often trotted out by some posters here jumps by an order of magnitude.

Here is pic of some NHS/heathcare staff that have died in UK.

Just imagine it being one of your relatives that work in HSE here.
And most of us have a relative or friend working in healthcare somewhere.

There is 1.2m NHS workers though, so while every death is a tragedy, would this be expected of any viral illness within hospitals?
Its a one in 50000 chance of an NHS worker dying, is this in line with the normal occupational hazards working with patient's with influenza?

Cunning Stunt

khalessi wrote: »

Lets look at other nations. Denmark coopted other buildings for education use, has split clsses to about 6 kids, hand washing 2 hourly etc. DO you see it being done here. All I am saying is I hope so, a safe environment for everyone

Am living in Denmark and my 6 yr old went back to school on Thurs. While they do their best with social distancing inside the school buildings & classrooms, there is the usual chaos as soon as the kids get outside on break - zero social distancing. They would have been better starting with older students who understand the risks, but that wont get mammy and daddy out of the house and back to work as fast... As for splitting classes in groups of 6, that depends on how many staff are working in the school so its not possible in all schools. To be honest Im very uncomfortable with schools being open again already but I am also back in the office from today so no choice. I think Ireland is right to extend lockdown.

lord quackinton

Sweden have under 2.3 times our deaths and twice our population
AND NO LOCKDOWN

America have less deaths per million then Ireland and Donald trump is being called a war criminal for his handling of the crisis
I have read articles in Irish media and many posts on boards attacking trump for his handling of the crisis

From the very start of I have posted on here that this lockdown was pointless
The number of deaths were never high enough to suggest we shut down our economy
If this virus is the threat that the government the media and posters on here maintain it is then Explain what happened in Sweden and what happened in America

I want everyone here to have a good think about what freedom means to them
the freedom to make decisions for yourselves and for your families

When this government demands that over 70s cocoon long term until a vaccine is ready then tell this government go to hell
Stand with your parents and your grandparents and other elderly relatives and if they want to live their lives as they see fit and decide to not cocoon then back them up with fists if necessary

remember you are proud free thinking Irish people And if you want to go for a walk on a beach or go for a cycle in the mountains then just get on with it
We are supposed to tell the state what to do but the state has become more and more powerful and now tells us what to do and increasingly are entering our own homes telling us what to do

My lockdown ended when I read the news about keelings - so should yours

briany

BanditLuke wrote: »

I've no idea what you are trying to imply.

I'm comparing nations not cities and nations.

The US's figures are skewed by having the vast majority of recorded deaths so far in one part of the country. It's of little use to compare the USA and Ireland directly in their death rates to gauge the overall success of each country's response as Ireland does not have the luxury of being a vast country where its very size and federal nature makes it easier to lock down one part and halt spread to other parts.

[Deleted User]

lord quackinton wrote: »

My lockdown ended when I read the news about keelings - so should yours

You were so outraged you decided to make things worse? Top notch work there.