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Relaxation of restrictions

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Simon Harris curiously made a comment that there was a limit to how long people could put up with extreme level of restrictions as we currently have. Already we’re seeing in Italy that people are starting to get restless. So two big questions:

1) on Easter Sunday, do you think there will be further restrictions, no change with just an extension or some relaxation?

2) what will be the first thing rolled back?

My own guess would be: extension for at least 1 week. Then to allow some businesses like DIY shops to reopen, perhaps allow gatherings of 2/3 people, maybe a token increase on 2km.

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Akabusi

tobefrank321 wrote: »

1 asymptomatic child can potentially infect everyone in a confined classroom including the teacher.

We are 6 months into this and the level of ignorance around covid19 is still mind boggling. There are still people who think children can't be infected as an example.

If they are all healthy they will likely be all asymptomatic as well. No big deal if they or the teacher get it.
We have to dip our toe in at some stage, I feel we'll hold off until September and end up in the exact same place anyhow. Take my house, I got it, I believe my 6 year old got it (he wasn't tested), my wife and the other kids showed no symptoms.

road_high

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

Seems to be a lot more people out and about in Dublin today compared to the last couple of weeks.

The weather is fantastic. It’ll be very hard to keep people locked up, we get so little nice weather

road_high

lord quackinton wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2020/0420/1132624-pandemic-unemployment-payments/

How is this not the headline news
This is going to cost billions
In the short term at least 5 billion
When the 350 reverts to 200 and hoping we get the numbers down to half million over time an extra 5 billion per year on welfare minimum

Forget new schools new roads housing and health projects
Our economy just traveled back in time 35 years
For those who don’t remember that time - say your prayers because things are about to get very real very fast

Hasn't been grasped at all really yet. Think it’s time the hard lockdown advocates get onto the same page as the rest of us re the economy

LuasSimon

I see big crowds of travellers at funeral in Birr , travellers having 21St in Longford , travellers setting up camps in Curragh in past few days , is it any wonder others are going to start doing things ??

Thelonious Monk

LuasSimon wrote: »

I see big crowds of travellers at funeral in Birr , travellers having 21St in Longford , travellers setting up camps in Curragh in past few days , is it any wonder others are going to start doing things ??

I don't think we should be following the travs lead, when it comes to anything

LuasSimon

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I don't think we should be following the travs lead, when it comes to anything

Most people would agree but there’s plenty rightly saying if their allowed do what they want why should we stay at home ??

[Deleted User]

LuasSimon wrote: »

I see big crowds of travellers at funeral in Birr , travellers having 21St in Longford , travellers setting up camps in Curragh in past few days , is it any wonder others are going to start doing things ??

It just shows how the officials at Pavee Point don’t hold sway with many of the people they try and advocate for.

blackcard

LuasSimon wrote: »

Most people would agree but there’s plenty rightly saying if their allowed do what they want why should we stay at home ??

Just because someone else is breaking the law doesn't mean that I should break the law

FintanMcluskey

An interesting development today is the resignation of Dr Marcus Brun from the medical council.
He has accused the response of Ireland to be completely mismanaged. Isolation of the general population and lack of attention to nursing homes was the incorrect approach. He claims in a blog he published last week projections of case rates were grossly overestimated for Ireland, and Ireland should of implemented its own tailor made approach.
The guy has actually resigned from the medical council over what he feels was gross mismanagement.
The link below is to a journal article and his blog is linked within.
https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.thejournal.ie/doctor-resigns-medical-council-5079141-Apr2020/%3famp=1

road_high

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

An interesting development today is the resignation of Dr Marcus Brun from the medical council.
He has accused the response of Ireland to be completely mismanaged. Isolation of the general population and lack of attention to nursing homes was the incorrect approach. He claims in a blog he published last week projections of case rates were grossly overestimated for Ireland, and Ireland should of implemented its own tailor made approach.
The guy has actually resigned from the medical council over what he feels was gross mismanagement.
The link below is to a journal article and his blog is linked within.
https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.thejournal.ie/doctor-resigns-medical-council-5079141-Apr2020/%3famp=1

I predict a lot of these experts will be coming to the surface now the horse has bolted- I never heard of him before now, why wasn't he screaming this from the rooftops at the time if he knew it was the incorrect course of action?

PTH2009

One thing I'll detest even more after all this is slow walkers lol

Nothing as annoying even in your stride and then you run into 1/2 lulas walking like slugs

Seems busy around today with the nice weather

[Deleted User]

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

An interesting development today is the resignation of Dr Marcus Brun from the medical council.
He has accused the response of Ireland to be completely mismanaged. Isolation of the general population and lack of attention to nursing homes was the incorrect approach. He claims in a blog he published last week projections of case rates were grossly overestimated for Ireland, and Ireland should of implemented its own tailor made approach.
The guy has actually resigned from the medical council over what he feels was gross mismanagement.
The link below is to a journal article and his blog is linked within.
https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.thejournal.ie/doctor-resigns-medical-council-5079141-Apr2020/%3famp=1

Thanks for posting this, here's a direct link to his blog for anyone who does not want their eyes to be set upon that filthy tabloid intolerant rag that is the journal.ie https://sway.office.com/PwTN7GCvJWDgn9yd?ref=Link

Cork Boy 53

easypazz wrote: »

Yeah lets keep the lockdown going until January.:rolleyes:

If there is a second wave of the virus next autumn/winter as is quite likely to be the case and no vaccine or treatment has been developed by then that is what will happen.

polesheep

road_high wrote: »

I predict a lot of these experts will be coming to the surface now the horse has bolted- I never heard of him before now, why wasn't he screaming this from the rooftops at the time if he knew it was the incorrect course of action?

As has been said, many times, once the government chose a strategy, all other strategies and their proponents were silenced.

polesheep

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

If there is a second wave of the virus next autumn/winter as is quite likely to be the case and no vaccine or treatment has been developed by then that is what will happen.

Cocooning of the vulnerable. The very thing that should have happened as a priority this time around.

Cork Boy 53

polesheep wrote: »

Cocooning of the vulnerable. The very thing that should have happened as a priority this time around.

Not just restrictions for the most vulnerable groups. A repeat of what is in place now the only difference being stricter enforcement of the rules.

road_high

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Not just the most vulnerable groups. A repeat of what is in place now the only difference being stricter enforcement of the rules.

Is the glass half full?

Mic 1972

is_that_so wrote: »

How can it spread if it's not there?

what's not there? the virus is there, we get big increases everyday for such a small population country

[Deleted User]

road_high wrote: »

I predict a lot of these experts will be coming to the surface now the horse has bolted- I never heard of him before now, why wasn't he screaming this from the rooftops at the time if he knew it was the incorrect course of action?

He Said:
“Unquestionably the most vulnerable cohort of patients in Ireland are those residents of nursing homes. This fact should have been entirely obvious to all involved in the management of the crisis,” he wrote.

I mean, it was bloody obvious to me too, and I'm not from a medical background but have a relative who is in a home that now has Covid-19.

While I'm angry, I'm withholding judgement at this stage- but i've a feeling the Govt won't come out well from this- I'm not at all a fan of retro-fitting solutions but I really would have thought, nursing homes would have been a priority to keep safe- or is it, that measures were put in place but they just weren't enough? I know some measures were put in place such as banning visitors some time in March but even then, that was probably too late- and of course, training and the proper protective clothing should have been provided to staff working in the homes.

Idbatterim

ixoy wrote: »

I imagine they'll look to how Germany and others are faring with their easing of lockdowns. And I am quite okay with that approach.

Germany and their usual best practice? maybe, doubtful though. Wont they mimic everything the uk does, that all they ever seem to do!

Idbatterim

Prominent doctor, appointed by Simon Harris to medical board, resigns over coronavirus crisis in nursing homes

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/prominent-doctor-appointed-by-simon-harris-to-medical-board-resigns-over-coronavirus-crisis-in-nursing-homes-39141161.html

If any of you thought the bloody fools we have in charge here and responsible for the **** everything here, changed over night once the virus hit! LOL! Give it another few months, I'd say there will be war over their handling of this.
From the nursing homes, to having no plan, other than to shut everything down!

FintanMcluskey

Idbatterim wrote: »

Prominent doctor, appointed by Simon Harris to medical board, resigns over coronavirus crisis in nursing homes

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/prominent-doctor-appointed-by-simon-harris-to-medical-board-resigns-over-coronavirus-crisis-in-nursing-homes-39141161.html

If any of you thought the bloody fools we have in charge here and responsible for the **** everything here, changed over night once the virus hit! LOL! Give it another few months, I'd say there will be war over their handling of this.
From the nursing homes, to having no plan, other than to shut everything down!

Read his report/blog he published last week. A link a few posts back to it.
I think the fact that the doctor that Simon Harris appointed to the medical council has resigned over the implemented approach is startling. If they didnt take his advice, whos advice did they follow?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Idbatterim wrote: »

Germany and their usual best practice? maybe, doubtful though. Wont they mimic everything the uk does, that all they ever seem to do!

Ireland was ahead of the UK in terms of racting and instigating a lockdown. Germany is the second-best country to handle the virus at the moment. Less than 2500 cases a day for most of the last ten days or so and the active case number has dropped by 20,000.

In any case, lockdowns in Germany (bar Bavaria) havent been as sevear in Ireland. Berliners can go about the city as the wish as long as they don't do it in groups.

drunkmonkey

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Not just restrictions for the most vulnerable groups. A repeat of what is in place now the only difference being stricter enforcement of the rules.

Are you in the FCA are something, I just get the feeling you'd like people to be beaten with sticks in public, we have our lockdown, if it works the disease was surpressed, if it doesn't it was a **** plan to begin with, there won't be a repeat of it.

Loafing Oaf

Deleted User wrote: »

or is it, that measures were put in place but they just weren't enough? I know some measures were put in place such as banning visitors some time in March but even then, that was probably too late- and of course, training and the proper protective clothing should have been provided to staff working in the homes.

No country seems to know how to provide special protection for nursing homes. Seems like if it's widespread in the community it will get into a lot of these facilities and claim a lot of lives.

BanditLuke

Shocking numbers today. As I said last week the lacklustre attitudes of some and absense of enforcement of the soft lockdown is going to cost us all big time. Still no wearing of masks whilst outside not compulsory is a farce.

Chances of withdrawal of restrictions over the first 2 weeks of May is now very unlikely.

Enter name here

BanditLuke wrote: »

Shocking numbers today. As I said last week the lacklustre attitudes of some and absense of enforcement of the soft lockdown is going to cost us all big time. Still no wearing of masks whilst outside not compulsory is a farce.

Chances of withdrawal of restrictions over the first 2 weeks of May is now very unlikely.

Exactly, we now need to ramp up and obviously fines are not a deterrent. Time to issue all gardi with tasers and large sticks forget the fines if you are caught breaking restrictions you are beat to within a heart beat of your last breath. Maybe then the message will start to get through to you idiots.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Enter name here wrote: »

Exactly, we now need to ramp up and obviously fines are not a deterrent. Time to issue all gardi with tasers and large sticks forget the fines if you are caught breaking restrictions you are beat to within a heart beat of your last breath. Maybe then the message will start to get through to you idiots.

That'll lower the death count

easypazz

BanditLuke wrote: »

Shocking numbers today. As I said last week the lacklustre attitudes of some and absense of enforcement of the soft lockdown is going to cost us all big time. Still no wearing of masks whilst outside not compulsory is a farce.

Chances of withdrawal of restrictions over the first 2 weeks of May is now very unlikely.

Agreed, it would save so many lives in nursing homes.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

BanditLuke wrote: »

Shocking numbers today. As I said last week the lacklustre attitudes of some and absense of enforcement of the soft lockdown is going to cost us all big time. Still no wearing of masks whilst outside not compulsory is a farce.

Chances of withdrawal of restrictions over the first 2 weeks of May is now very unlikely.

What numbers are you looking at? As far as I can see the cases dropped yesterday and isn't all that hight today.

Number of deaths doesn't really tell you anything as they're people who will have been infected previously, possibly up to two weeks ago.