jibber5000 wrote: » CUH and GUH/Merlin park combined have approx 1.9 times the number of beds that Letterkenny Cavan and Drogheda combined have. I said double. Apologies for being off by .1. A patient can spend a few weeks or a few days? You have a number of problems. You're saying those numbers as it they're all in ICU beds, they're not. 148 covid are in ICU and the number is falling.https://www.rte.ie/amp/1130794/ There are 33 icus in Ireland - an average of under 5 patients in each one. Secondly you think that every patient who goes to ICU is ventilated. This is wrong needs no further explanation. Finally you really show your lack of knowledge by neglecting the thousands of missed surgeries over the last 6 weeks. This has further reduced ICU capacity with no post surgery complications ie there's less critical patients. You're trying so hard to pretend that our ICU system is at breaking point to fit your narrative?
correct horse battery staple wrote: » Sweden definitely have ****ed up here Ireland deaths per million: 125 Sweden deaths per million: 151 Both countries got infected nearly same time
djan wrote: » Great going by Sweden then. It's difficult to compare countries like this as there are so many variables at play such as genetic immunity, healthcare, population density and social customs. My main worry is that given Ireland's stretched healthcare resources, without a lockdown, it would collapse quickly.
STB. wrote: » You clearly don't understand the distinction between ICU and general hospital beds. You assume they are all for use by Covid19 patients when they are infact segregated. You do not understand that critical ICU is not just those on ventilators. You clearly do not understand the limited number of ICU beds in each hospital. You think ICU is a short stop hop. And you claim to work in a hospital. I can only assume that if you do, its in a hospital shop. You have lied about your post history when it is there for all to see. You are a spoofer. Stick to the conspiracy forum Dr Abagnale or stick to forums where you think washes.
biko wrote: » Neither of you seem to have come up with a better way so.. We have a known amount of tested positive cases. We have an amount of known dead. We then have a percentage of known dead among tested and confirmed cases. But it seems to me you're just throwing your hands up and saying "we don't have all the facts, let's do nothing.."
jibber5000 wrote: » Because that's the measurable data point used. You can't bring every single patient and put them on a ventilator whatever their age. When taken in conjunction with how sick they are to warrant critical care admission it means their chances of fully recovering are extremely low.https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thesun.ie/news/5319621/coronavirus-in-ireland-points-system-intensive-care-elderly/amp/
[Deleted User] wrote: » You have medical students proning patients by themselves It's a brave new world With more beds, you need more consultants/nurses/pharmacists/physiotherapists etc. You can't train people up on the fly in a technical area such as ICU. Of course, this will have an outcome on mortality. Out of curiosity, have you ever actually worked on an ICU? Your lack of knowledge might be excusable if you haven't. Th
wakka12 wrote: » Just wanted to show that you cant make that assumption based on data alonehttps://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/16/doctors-nurses-porters-volunteers-the-uk-health-workers-who-have-died-from-covid-19 Look at this page about the NHS workers who died. Rebecca Mack, 29 year old nurse who died . 'She had no known health problems, and fell ill after a work training session in Derby. She was self-isolating alone at her home when her symptoms worsened. Mack called for an ambulance and left the door open for paramedics. They found her dead in her home, her mother, Marion, told the Newcastle Chronicle.' This woman in her twenties who had no health problems is part of your statistic of people who had 0% chance of living the next ten years based on the fact she was not in ICU. I have no doubt shes an outlier but I just think you are making a very bold statement based on a theory really. Still much unknown about COVID, there has been enormous spike in the amount of cardiac arrests in NYC the last few weeks, given the link between cardiac issues and COVID, it is certainly a contributing factor to these sudden deaths which likely would never make it to ICU either.
jibber5000 wrote: » Law background from Cork? Wrong poster mate 3 hospitals out of approx 30 in Ireland. Most ICU departments are quieter now than they would have been without CoVid, a couple of Dublin hospitals the exception. If you don't believe me look at the figures. On average 9 people a week are dying in our ICUs of covid. Hardly a sign of a system bursting at the seams.
[Deleted User] wrote: » To be fair to Jibber, he is right about ICUs not been overran. It's in the HSE briefing. Here's one from last Wednesday.https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/covid-19-daily-operations-20-00-15-april-2020.pdf It's the fact that he thinks you can upskill a HCP on the fly without effecting mortality rates that I have an issue with.
[Deleted User] wrote: » To be fair to Jibber, he is right about ICUs not been overran. It's in the HSE briefing. Here's one from last Wednesday.https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/covid-19-daily-operations-20-00-15-april-2020.pdf It's the fact that he thinks you can upskill a HCP on the fly without effecting mortality rates that I have an issue with. Surprised an intern/SHO is working on an ICU. Thought you had to have completed CST.
According to government data, 4.25% of individuals confirmed to have the coronavirus in Italy have died, the highest rate in the world.
In Italy, the death rate stands at about 13 percent
biko wrote: » Yes, we all know that there is a lot of people that don't get seriously sick and thus won't get tested. We don't have to worry about those people, because they will just carry on as usual. The stats are for people that for some reason got tested. Another aspect is the people that have been admitted to ICU. For instance that number is currently 520 in Sweden. But it's not reliable because that number changes as people leave ICU and another takes their places.
niallo27 wrote: » Ok so why do you think we have had more cases here tested despite having half the population.
biko wrote: » We have a known amount of tested positive cases. We have an amount of known dead. We then have a percentage of known dead among tested and confirmed cases.
biko wrote: » Yes, the only way to squeeze death rate down is to do more tests, increasing positives where people do not die.
biko wrote: » Yes, the only way to squeeze death rate down is to do more tests, increasing positives where people do not die. But since countries tests more or less there is no way of knowing without testing the entire population. Then the population sizes vary... And the ages of the tested... And the denseness of the population... And.. And..
thebaz wrote: » again, the number of deaths recorded today is low , 40 - People were predicating a huge number - this has not happened, yet , and maybe won't , meaning the Swedes were not so wreckless, and if the herd immunity works, they might come out of this well , given they will probably avoid somewhat the severe recession the rest of the world will encounter, and ensuing mental health trsunami of problems, and less of a backlog of other serious medical problems, that are being postponed in rest of world and will lead to a large number of deaths too.
Roger_007 wrote: » The Swedes are not known to be reckless and they are not reckless on this occasion either. The key difference between what they are doing and what most other countries in Europe are doing is sustainability. The measures which they have put in place can be sustained for as long as is necessary. Other countries put in place measures which cannot be sustained and without any exit strategy and are thrashing their economies in the meantime. Sweden has not closed down their economy and they are not throwing money around like it was going out of fashion. They have taken some sensible measures that their population are more than willing to go along with, and life goes on almost normally. Everyone else in Europe is painting themselves into a corner. The more successful their ‘lockdowns’ are the worse their position becomes. They are creating a situation where the vast majority of the population will have no immunity and the virus will always be around somewhere and is never going to be eliminated.
thebaz wrote: » Something needs to be looked at, our death toll continues to rise, we are destroying our economy with no realistic talk about exiting our severe lockdown, that is hugly impacting people with other illness and mental health problems - and we seam to be printing money in our attempt to solve the problem with nearly a million on the dole - its unsustainable - perhaps, instead of constantly looking at tighening the lockdown as per the WHO strategy, that has already shown up many issues, we should actually be studying positivly alternatives like Sweden and South Korea.
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