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Relaxation of restrictions

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Simon Harris curiously made a comment that there was a limit to how long people could put up with extreme level of restrictions as we currently have. Already we’re seeing in Italy that people are starting to get restless. So two big questions:

1) on Easter Sunday, do you think there will be further restrictions, no change with just an extension or some relaxation?

2) what will be the first thing rolled back?

My own guess would be: extension for at least 1 week. Then to allow some businesses like DIY shops to reopen, perhaps allow gatherings of 2/3 people, maybe a token increase on 2km.

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Phoebas

Nermal wrote: »

He's getting into trouble because he's finally telling the truth about his strategy.

He's telling the 20-29 year-olds that their festivals are cancelled because of a disease that will kill 0.004% of them.

He's telling the 30-39 year-olds that they won't be able to go pub because 0.007% of them might die.

And you've simply ignored all of the other groups that are put at risk, like the 0.492% of 60-70s.

alwald

Idbatterim wrote: »

I still appreciate the problem if there is a surge and the issues it creates for hospitals, but they have ramped up ICU capacity, the initial scaremonger figures with deaths etc, were based on capacity at the time...

The risks associated with this virus cannot be limited only on what you mentioned as we know very little about C-19...thankfully the professionals in this sector don't share your views...

Cork Boy 53

Idbatterim wrote: »

no wonder people are going out more etc, this is a virus, so awful, that many who have had it, havent even realised it, I'm quaking in my boots! :rolleyes:

And there are many who would have imagined they would only have a mild illness if they were infected with the virus who are now in hospital ICU units or lying in a cemetery plot.

tobefrank321

At some stage we will have to bite the bullet when it comes to getting back to a normal economy.

I'd open pubs, hotels and restaurants before I'd open schools though. At least adults practice a modicum of social distancing and good hygiene. Children are just not that wired into it and likely don't understand the seriousness of covid19.

With the right measures in place there will still be community spread in pubs, hotels and restaurants but you'd hope to control it a bit. You'd still have to advise that those with underlying conditions and those over 70 would avoid them, until a vaccine comes along.

I'd open schools last as by then you'd hope there'd be some form of herd immunity and a vaccine. Very few if anyone will lose their jobs with schools remaining closed apart from substitute teachers. We can't say the same about every other industry.

Cyrus

Beanybabog wrote: »

Apologies if it’s been mentioned already, but when are we going to find out what happens next? I thought Leo Varadkar mentioned outlining the next steps in advance - ie give us some indication of when we reach X cases, Y will happen? Or will we be waiting until the 5th to know?

he said end of the month,

the earlier he announces the next steps the earlier people will start to move to the new normal whatever that is

so he will wait as long as he can id imagine.

Beanybabog

Apologies if it’s been mentioned already, but when are we going to find out what happens next? I thought Leo Varadkar mentioned outlining the next steps in advance - ie give us some indication of when we reach X cases, Y will happen? Or will we be waiting until the 5th to know?

Cyrus

pjohnson wrote: »

Thats not a problem for them. They dismiss it as an "old people" disease and claim that children definitely dont catch it. Hoping they get their hands some juicy inheritance themselves I'd say.

do you dispute that the majority of those that have died are over 70 ?

And there are various studies that suggest kids are far less likely to catch it, they dont know why but the number of infected children is very low compared to adults.

so much for deadly super spreaders.

Idbatterim

alwald wrote: »

Your comment is only valid if we know most or all about the virus which is not the case...not a smart way of looking at the virus IMO.

I still appreciate the problem if there is a surge and the issues it creates for hospitals, but they have ramped up ICU capacity, the initial scaremonger figures with deaths etc, were based on capacity at the time...

drunkmonkey

ixoy wrote: »

retirement age increased dramatically for anyone under 50, etc.

The opposite should probably happen as we'll be back to 60 life expectancy. Retirement at 45.

easypazz

topper75 wrote: »

I remember when I first encountered Health Economics and studied things like QALYs. Not tasteful reading but I had to acknowledge that somebody somewhere has to make these decisions.

Not practical to hope that you can sacrifice any amount of resources over any length of time to keep somebody in the game. That is not the world we live in. Never was.

Which is why the lockdown must be unwound, and rather quickly.

A lot of distancing policies can remain in some form, which will be enough to keep the infection rate stable and allow the economy to begin to function.

Nermal

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Nightmare for pubs, sport and music as 'summer cancelled' by Harris warning

https://m.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/nightmare-for-pubs-sport-and-music-as-summer-cancelled-by-harris-warning-39140420.html

Harris' interview seems to be getting him in trouble

He's getting into trouble because he's finally telling the truth about his strategy.

He's telling the 20-29 year-olds that their festivals are cancelled because of a disease that will kill 0.004% of them.

He's telling the 30-39 year-olds that they won't be able to go pub because 0.007% of them might die.

https://twitter.com/RF_HFC/status/1252210492531183622

New Dutch serology study. The data is out there, and it's conclusive that whatever lives we're saving are at inordinately high cost. We cannot wait till May 5th. We must start undoing this damage immediately.

alwald

Idbatterim wrote: »

no wonder people are going out more etc, this is a virus, so awful, that many who have had it, havent even realised it, I'm quaking in my boots! :rolleyes:

Your comment is only valid if we know most or all about the virus which is not the case...not a smart way of looking at the virus IMO.

topper75

I remember when I first encountered Health Economics and studied things like QALYs. Not tasteful reading but I had to acknowledge that somebody somewhere has to make these decisions.

Not practical to hope that you can sacrifice any amount of resources over any length of time to keep somebody in the game. That is not the world we live in. Never was.

easypazz

ixoy wrote: »

Of course everything still needs to be funded - the hundreds of millions needed just to fund PPE never mind the hospitals. The billions in support payments. The effects of being unemployed on families both economically and socially.
Longer term - wages elsewhere are slashes, pension funds raided to fund this, retirement age increased dramatically for anyone under 50, etc.

There's a certain cohort here (not saying it's you) who cannot seem to grasp that and would prefer everyone was locked down indefinitely until a vaccine.

Well said.

We simply can't sustain this policy as it will do more harm than good.

Idbatterim

no wonder people are going out more etc, this is a virus, so awful, that many who have had it, havent even realised it, I'm quaking in my boots! :rolleyes:

Akabusi

pjohnson wrote: »

Combine it with the fact he liked a post saying " the more blood there will be on the hands of the lockdown nazis."

Then follows it up complaining that a fictional 92 year old is being kept alive.

Shows the intelligence of the "open up" crowd.

His post was out of order. Your one isn't a lot better, that is one big brush you got there.

ixoy

Strumms wrote: »

We do, everyone wants that but the timing needs to be right. Personally I couldn’t give two fûcks about ‘social devastation’ though per say.. my life has been socially devastated but I’m taking that gleefully over the possibility of somebody chipping my initials into a headstone.

Of course everything still needs to be funded - the hundreds of millions needed just to fund PPE never mind the hospitals. The billions in support payments. The effects of being unemployed on families both economically and socially.
Longer term - wages elsewhere are slashes, pension funds raided to fund this, retirement age increased dramatically for anyone under 50, etc.

There's a certain cohort here (not saying it's you) who cannot seem to grasp that and would prefer everyone was locked down indefinitely until a vaccine.

Idbatterim

Strumms wrote: »

17 million is better than 27 million, it’s about protecting as many as we can.

is it? listen if its just about saving lives, resume things here and use the billions in savings v the current draconian lockdown to save collossal numbers of starving africans...

drunkmonkey

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Time for me to put that particular poster on ignore after making a disgraceful comment like that.

I don't agree with how he put the point across but the conversation should be had, I'm sure those in medical circles have already discussed it. I'd assume plenty in nursing homes weren't taken to ICU going by the numbers.

pjohnson

lastusername wrote: »

Douchey comment of the day perhaps?

Combine it with the fact he liked a post saying " the more blood there will be on the hands of the lockdown nazis."

Then follows it up complaining that a fictional 92 year old is being kept alive.

Shows the intelligence of the "open up" crowd.

lastusername

facehugger99 wrote: »

Not to worry, there is a 92 year old dude in hospital hooked up to life-support that is giving them a big thumbs-up for the extra few weeks of 'life' he's been given.

Douchey comment of the day perhaps?

pjohnson

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Time for me to put that particular poster on ignore after making a disgracful comment like that.

Its people with psychopathic tendencies like that that made this lockdown have to happen in the first place. Have to feel sorry for any family stuck with the likes of that.

Cork Boy 53

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Time for me to unfollow this thread.

Time for me to put that particular poster on ignore after making a disgraceful comment like that.

pjohnson

GazzaL wrote: »

Just listening to the radio, approximately half of Ireland's workforce is now dependent on the State for handouts. The longer this goes on, the more blood there will be on the hands of the lockdown nazis.

Christ above :pac:

Strumms

GazzaL wrote: »

Indeed, and that's why we need to get people back to work, to prevent deaths as a result of social and economic devastation, and to be able to fund the care needed for the elderly and vulnerable who are most susceptible to COVID-19.

We do, everyone wants that but the timing needs to be right. Personally I couldn’t give two fûcks about ‘social devastation’ though per say.. my life has been socially devastated but I’m taking that gleefully over the possibility of somebody chipping my initials into a headstone.

Professor Moriarty

facehugger99 wrote: »

Not to worry, there is a 92 year old dude in hospital hooked up to life-support that is giving them a big thumbs-up for the extra few weeks of 'life' he's been given.

Time for me to unfollow this thread.

VonLuck

GazzaL wrote: »

Indeed, and that's why we need to get people back to work, to prevent deaths as a result of social and economic devastation, and to be able to fund the care needed for the elderly and vulnerable who are most susceptible to COVID-19.

Based on your expertise, what number of deaths are you predicting from social and economic devastation?

facehugger99

GazzaL wrote: »

Just listening to the radio, approximately half of Ireland's workforce is now dependent on the State for handouts. The longer this goes on, the more blood there will be on the hands of the lockdown nazis.

Not to worry, there is a 92 year old dude in hospital hooked up to life-support that is giving them a big thumbs-up for the extra few weeks of 'life' he's been given.

GazzaL

Strumms wrote: »

17 million is better than 27 million, it’s about protecting as many as we can.

Indeed, and that's why we need to get people back to work, to prevent deaths as a result of social and economic devastation, and to be able to fund the care needed for the elderly and vulnerable who are most susceptible to COVID-19.

drunkmonkey

Lackey wrote: »

No 5 year old should be thinking like this
Turn off the tv and stop talking about it in front of them.

I don't know where he picked it up from, he's getting a good dose of Barbie at the moment, I blame that little frigger Ryan. Took him out for drive to meet his girlfriends this morning...girls played outside and shared some ice creams with him while he stayed in the car. He'll be fine but this idea kids can't play with each other has to end. It's absolute madness.