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Relaxation of restrictions

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Simon Harris curiously made a comment that there was a limit to how long people could put up with extreme level of restrictions as we currently have. Already we’re seeing in Italy that people are starting to get restless. So two big questions:

1) on Easter Sunday, do you think there will be further restrictions, no change with just an extension or some relaxation?

2) what will be the first thing rolled back?

My own guess would be: extension for at least 1 week. Then to allow some businesses like DIY shops to reopen, perhaps allow gatherings of 2/3 people, maybe a token increase on 2km.

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the kelt

Mic 1972 wrote: »

I never thought that was even a question to be honest, what are you going to do with all your money when you are in the grave too

But it’s not going to be a case of one or the other, people see things too black and white, health or economy for example and that’s the problem with this thread.

Too many can’t seem to grasp this isn’t a black and white issue. For example the official message is “by doing this your saving lives” but they also seem to forget the second part of that official message which is “it won’t be forever”

There are some really tough decisions coming up where restrictions will be eased and in reality that easing will probably cost lives but also a realisation that in the long term locking down the economy will cost lives. Not to Covid but the other real issues we as a society have.

There isn’t a right or wrong answer here, it’s a balancing act that can’t be simply divided into a binary decision of economy or lives, the complications and factors involved are huge.

Unfortunately every decision going forward is gong to cost lives in some way either short or long term and we all have to get through it together.

Professor Moriarty

Mic 1972 wrote: »

I never thought that was even a question to be honest, what are you going to do with all your money when you are in the grave too

There are no pockets in shrouds.

Strumms

showpony1 wrote: »

Would like if they give indication over gyms opening to know if worth getting expensive equipment, as would do so if looking at 2021 can only do so many of those "online workouts".

I’m guessing gyms will be one of the last to return to normality.. looking at the likes of elverys and other sites selling equipment an awful lot of items seemed to be out of stock as of last week. Regular gym goers trying to continue to be able to work out and non regulars looking to use the extra time to get fit and stay fit as well as killing time.

[Deleted User]

Gyms being closed is grim alright...... I wouldn't be into running, did a few 5ks in 2019, ran 175kms all last year. Back at it Paddy's Day out of boredom and 70kms on the clock now.

pjohnson

Mic 1972 wrote: »

I never thought that was even a question to be honest, what are you going to do with all your money when you are in the grave too

Thats not a problem for them. They dismiss it as an "old people" disease and claim that children definitely dont catch it. Hoping they get their hands some juicy inheritance themselves I'd say.

Ethereal Cereal

facehugger99 wrote: »

A virus that is going to end up with a fatality rate of less than 0.4%, concentrated among the very, very old and very, very sick.

There will be a serious inquiry into the over-reactive response to this in the coming years.

Over 165,000 people have died from this virus, with current measures in place.

What is an acceptable number to you before we implementing protective measures?

easypazz

Ethereal Cereal wrote: »

Over 165,000 people have died from this virus, with current measures in place.

What is an acceptable number to you before we implementing protective measures?

90% over 65, and how many of the 165000 had a very low quality of life or life expectancy of only a year or two?

How many will die if there is a 1930's type depression because of this?

[Deleted User]

easypazz wrote: »

.......

How many will die if there is a 1930's type depression because of this?

There's a few posting here that seem on the brink anyway.

Cork Boy 53

Nermal wrote: »

Printing money cannot replace lost output. Our policies are making us materially poorer, very quickly. There's no way to avoid that without changing the policy. Of course it can go on, but should it?

I have ambitions in life beyond merely avoiding hunger!

Hopefully one of them is not contracting a highly infectious deadly virus when it could have been avoided.

growleaves

Mic 1972 wrote: »

I never thought that was even a question to be honest, what are you going to do with all your money when you are in the grave too

You could ban motor cars on that basis. There are statistics about deaths not just from crashes but from things like heart disease from sitting down in traffic for prolonged periods.

GazzaL

easypazz wrote: »

90% over 65, and how many of the 165000 had a very low quality of life or life expectancy of only a year or two?

How many will die if there is a 1930's type depression because of this?

Just listening to the radio, approximately half of Ireland's workforce is now dependent on the State for handouts. The longer this goes on, the more blood there will be on the hands of the lockdown nazis.

KrustyUCC

Nightmare for pubs, sport and music as 'summer cancelled' by Harris warning

https://m.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/nightmare-for-pubs-sport-and-music-as-summer-cancelled-by-harris-warning-39140420.html

Harris' interview seems to be getting him in trouble

Varadkar was going on about people being complacent

I really hope the majority of people stick to what they have doing so we can ease some restrictions on 5th of May

Time to get the guards out for a visible crackdown like the Bank Holiday weekend

Cork Boy 53

Mic 1972 wrote: »

closing schools isn't meant to protect kids only. It's meant to protect everyone
If kids infect one another in school they will infect anybody else who is around them at home

A lot of posters here seem to be unable to acknowledge this fact.

FintanMcluskey

Ethereal Cereal wrote: »

Over 165,000 people have died from this virus, with current measures in place.

What is an acceptable number to you before we implementing protective measures?

17 million people have died since 01/01/2020. Covid related deaths account for 0.9% of world deaths. So are we really protecting anyone at all in the long term?

Strumms

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

17 million people have died since 01/01/2020. Covid related deaths account for 0.9% of world deaths. So are we really protecting anyone at all in the long term?

17 million is better than 27 million, it’s about protecting as many as we can.

drunkmonkey

Lackey wrote: »

No 5 year old should be thinking like this
Turn off the tv and stop talking about it in front of them.

I don't know where he picked it up from, he's getting a good dose of Barbie at the moment, I blame that little frigger Ryan. Took him out for drive to meet his girlfriends this morning...girls played outside and shared some ice creams with him while he stayed in the car. He'll be fine but this idea kids can't play with each other has to end. It's absolute madness.

GazzaL

Strumms wrote: »

17 million is better than 27 million, it’s about protecting as many as we can.

Indeed, and that's why we need to get people back to work, to prevent deaths as a result of social and economic devastation, and to be able to fund the care needed for the elderly and vulnerable who are most susceptible to COVID-19.

facehugger99

GazzaL wrote: »

Just listening to the radio, approximately half of Ireland's workforce is now dependent on the State for handouts. The longer this goes on, the more blood there will be on the hands of the lockdown nazis.

Not to worry, there is a 92 year old dude in hospital hooked up to life-support that is giving them a big thumbs-up for the extra few weeks of 'life' he's been given.

VonLuck

GazzaL wrote: »

Indeed, and that's why we need to get people back to work, to prevent deaths as a result of social and economic devastation, and to be able to fund the care needed for the elderly and vulnerable who are most susceptible to COVID-19.

Based on your expertise, what number of deaths are you predicting from social and economic devastation?

Professor Moriarty

facehugger99 wrote: »

Not to worry, there is a 92 year old dude in hospital hooked up to life-support that is giving them a big thumbs-up for the extra few weeks of 'life' he's been given.

Time for me to unfollow this thread.

Strumms

GazzaL wrote: »

Indeed, and that's why we need to get people back to work, to prevent deaths as a result of social and economic devastation, and to be able to fund the care needed for the elderly and vulnerable who are most susceptible to COVID-19.

We do, everyone wants that but the timing needs to be right. Personally I couldn’t give two fûcks about ‘social devastation’ though per say.. my life has been socially devastated but I’m taking that gleefully over the possibility of somebody chipping my initials into a headstone.

pjohnson

GazzaL wrote: »

Just listening to the radio, approximately half of Ireland's workforce is now dependent on the State for handouts. The longer this goes on, the more blood there will be on the hands of the lockdown nazis.

Christ above :pac:

Cork Boy 53

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Time for me to unfollow this thread.

Time for me to put that particular poster on ignore after making a disgraceful comment like that.

pjohnson

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Time for me to put that particular poster on ignore after making a disgracful comment like that.

Its people with psychopathic tendencies like that that made this lockdown have to happen in the first place. Have to feel sorry for any family stuck with the likes of that.

lastusername

facehugger99 wrote: »

Not to worry, there is a 92 year old dude in hospital hooked up to life-support that is giving them a big thumbs-up for the extra few weeks of 'life' he's been given.

Douchey comment of the day perhaps?

pjohnson

lastusername wrote: »

Douchey comment of the day perhaps?

Combine it with the fact he liked a post saying " the more blood there will be on the hands of the lockdown nazis."

Then follows it up complaining that a fictional 92 year old is being kept alive.

Shows the intelligence of the "open up" crowd.

drunkmonkey

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Time for me to put that particular poster on ignore after making a disgraceful comment like that.

I don't agree with how he put the point across but the conversation should be had, I'm sure those in medical circles have already discussed it. I'd assume plenty in nursing homes weren't taken to ICU going by the numbers.

Idbatterim

Strumms wrote: »

17 million is better than 27 million, it’s about protecting as many as we can.

is it? listen if its just about saving lives, resume things here and use the billions in savings v the current draconian lockdown to save collossal numbers of starving africans...

ixoy

Strumms wrote: »

We do, everyone wants that but the timing needs to be right. Personally I couldn’t give two fûcks about ‘social devastation’ though per say.. my life has been socially devastated but I’m taking that gleefully over the possibility of somebody chipping my initials into a headstone.

Of course everything still needs to be funded - the hundreds of millions needed just to fund PPE never mind the hospitals. The billions in support payments. The effects of being unemployed on families both economically and socially.
Longer term - wages elsewhere are slashes, pension funds raided to fund this, retirement age increased dramatically for anyone under 50, etc.

There's a certain cohort here (not saying it's you) who cannot seem to grasp that and would prefer everyone was locked down indefinitely until a vaccine.

Akabusi

pjohnson wrote: »

Combine it with the fact he liked a post saying " the more blood there will be on the hands of the lockdown nazis."

Then follows it up complaining that a fictional 92 year old is being kept alive.

Shows the intelligence of the "open up" crowd.

His post was out of order. Your one isn't a lot better, that is one big brush you got there.