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Relaxation of restrictions

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Simon Harris curiously made a comment that there was a limit to how long people could put up with extreme level of restrictions as we currently have. Already we’re seeing in Italy that people are starting to get restless. So two big questions:

1) on Easter Sunday, do you think there will be further restrictions, no change with just an extension or some relaxation?

2) what will be the first thing rolled back?

My own guess would be: extension for at least 1 week. Then to allow some businesses like DIY shops to reopen, perhaps allow gatherings of 2/3 people, maybe a token increase on 2km.

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Strumms

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

17 million people have died since 01/01/2020. Covid related deaths account for 0.9% of world deaths. So are we really protecting anyone at all in the long term?

17 million is better than 27 million, it’s about protecting as many as we can.

FintanMcluskey

Ethereal Cereal wrote: »

Over 165,000 people have died from this virus, with current measures in place.

What is an acceptable number to you before we implementing protective measures?

17 million people have died since 01/01/2020. Covid related deaths account for 0.9% of world deaths. So are we really protecting anyone at all in the long term?

Cork Boy 53

Mic 1972 wrote: »

closing schools isn't meant to protect kids only. It's meant to protect everyone
If kids infect one another in school they will infect anybody else who is around them at home

A lot of posters here seem to be unable to acknowledge this fact.

KrustyUCC

Nightmare for pubs, sport and music as 'summer cancelled' by Harris warning

https://m.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/nightmare-for-pubs-sport-and-music-as-summer-cancelled-by-harris-warning-39140420.html

Harris' interview seems to be getting him in trouble

Varadkar was going on about people being complacent

I really hope the majority of people stick to what they have doing so we can ease some restrictions on 5th of May

Time to get the guards out for a visible crackdown like the Bank Holiday weekend

GazzaL

easypazz wrote: »

90% over 65, and how many of the 165000 had a very low quality of life or life expectancy of only a year or two?

How many will die if there is a 1930's type depression because of this?

Just listening to the radio, approximately half of Ireland's workforce is now dependent on the State for handouts. The longer this goes on, the more blood there will be on the hands of the lockdown nazis.

growleaves

Mic 1972 wrote: »

I never thought that was even a question to be honest, what are you going to do with all your money when you are in the grave too

You could ban motor cars on that basis. There are statistics about deaths not just from crashes but from things like heart disease from sitting down in traffic for prolonged periods.

Cork Boy 53

Nermal wrote: »

Printing money cannot replace lost output. Our policies are making us materially poorer, very quickly. There's no way to avoid that without changing the policy. Of course it can go on, but should it?

I have ambitions in life beyond merely avoiding hunger!

Hopefully one of them is not contracting a highly infectious deadly virus when it could have been avoided.

[Deleted User]

easypazz wrote: »

.......

How many will die if there is a 1930's type depression because of this?

There's a few posting here that seem on the brink anyway.

easypazz

Ethereal Cereal wrote: »

Over 165,000 people have died from this virus, with current measures in place.

What is an acceptable number to you before we implementing protective measures?

90% over 65, and how many of the 165000 had a very low quality of life or life expectancy of only a year or two?

How many will die if there is a 1930's type depression because of this?

Ethereal Cereal

facehugger99 wrote: »

A virus that is going to end up with a fatality rate of less than 0.4%, concentrated among the very, very old and very, very sick.

There will be a serious inquiry into the over-reactive response to this in the coming years.

Over 165,000 people have died from this virus, with current measures in place.

What is an acceptable number to you before we implementing protective measures?

pjohnson

Mic 1972 wrote: »

I never thought that was even a question to be honest, what are you going to do with all your money when you are in the grave too

Thats not a problem for them. They dismiss it as an "old people" disease and claim that children definitely dont catch it. Hoping they get their hands some juicy inheritance themselves I'd say.

[Deleted User]

Gyms being closed is grim alright...... I wouldn't be into running, did a few 5ks in 2019, ran 175kms all last year. Back at it Paddy's Day out of boredom and 70kms on the clock now.

Strumms

showpony1 wrote: »

Would like if they give indication over gyms opening to know if worth getting expensive equipment, as would do so if looking at 2021 can only do so many of those "online workouts".

I’m guessing gyms will be one of the last to return to normality.. looking at the likes of elverys and other sites selling equipment an awful lot of items seemed to be out of stock as of last week. Regular gym goers trying to continue to be able to work out and non regulars looking to use the extra time to get fit and stay fit as well as killing time.

Professor Moriarty

Mic 1972 wrote: »

I never thought that was even a question to be honest, what are you going to do with all your money when you are in the grave too

There are no pockets in shrouds.

the kelt

Mic 1972 wrote: »

I never thought that was even a question to be honest, what are you going to do with all your money when you are in the grave too

But it’s not going to be a case of one or the other, people see things too black and white, health or economy for example and that’s the problem with this thread.

Too many can’t seem to grasp this isn’t a black and white issue. For example the official message is “by doing this your saving lives” but they also seem to forget the second part of that official message which is “it won’t be forever”

There are some really tough decisions coming up where restrictions will be eased and in reality that easing will probably cost lives but also a realisation that in the long term locking down the economy will cost lives. Not to Covid but the other real issues we as a society have.

There isn’t a right or wrong answer here, it’s a balancing act that can’t be simply divided into a binary decision of economy or lives, the complications and factors involved are huge.

Unfortunately every decision going forward is gong to cost lives in some way either short or long term and we all have to get through it together.

Akabusi

Mic 1972 wrote: »

closing schools isn't meant to protect kids only. It's meant to protect everyone
If kids infect one another in school they will infect anybody else who is around them at home

Yes that is the goal, infect the people who can fight it, protect the people who cannot and learn to live with this virus.

Not really any different to opening up industry or construction. We cannot have these restriction in place indefinitely.

tobefrank321

facehugger99 wrote: »

A virus that is going to end up with a fatality rate of less than 0.4%, concentrated among the very, very old and very, very sick.

There will be a serious inquiry into the over-reactive response to this in the coming years.

That's nonsense.

It doesn't kill the very very sick - it can kill those who can function fine but with underlying conditions such as being over weight, with diabetes, hyper tension, weak heart, etc. All these combined could make up 20% of the non elderly population.

Even if we lifted restrictions, about 40% of the population would have to remain cocooned. There might be an argument for letting it run its course among the healthy, but you'd still have to isolate the other 40% first.

The government should draw up a list of the most financially productive yet least risky areas to re-open. Most shops would fall into this category provided precautions are taken.

It should still be a criminal offence to go out shopping if you are knowingly positive or suspect you have symptoms.

showpony1

If they remove the 2km in may - the canal by the barge and most parks probably will be full of people with "cans".

Would like if they give indication over gyms opening to know if worth getting expensive equipment, as would do so if looking at 2021 can only do so many of those "online workouts".

Mic 1972

Strumms wrote: »

I’m accepting that emptier bank accounts are in preference to much fuller graveyards.

I never thought that was even a question to be honest, what are you going to do with all your money when you are in the grave too

Ferris_Bueller

I think come the 5th of May they will have to relax some restirctions as otherwise you are going to see a lot of people breaking them and a lot of anger between those who are still following them and those who are breaking them. I'm sure there are people who aren't following them currently, but by and large I think most people are doing a good job of staying at home. In another two weeks though I can see the average persons acceptance really dropping and people doing things like going for walks with friends, having family over and that kind of thing.

The government and HSE probably know this, so I reckon they will lift some restrictions on the 5th possibly such as abolish or extend the 2km distance thing, open some smaller stores like DIY shops, allow some people to return to work such as construction workers. If this goes reasonably well then I could see more shops opening a week or two later, restaurants/takeaways that aren't already open offering deliveries and collections, possibly some other sectors back to work.

Then around this time or two weeks later again they will probably have to say that small gatherings are allowed of up to 5 or 10 people or something. They will have to do this before they re-open restaurants, schools and pubs to ease it back in otherwise there is the risk of a huge surge when the schools open up for example. Slowly lifting the restrictions, monitoring them closely and allowing two weeks before lifting more seems like the sensible way to do it.

Strumms

Mic 1972 wrote: »

Social distancing is also impossible in schools. Pubs/Restaurants/Schools are all risky in the same way

Nermal wrote: »

Printing money cannot replace lost output. Our policies are making us materially poorer, very quickly. There's no way to avoid that without changing the policy. Of course it can go on, but should it?

I have ambitions in life beyond merely avoiding hunger!

I’m accepting that emptier bank accounts are in preference to much fuller graveyards.

tobefrank321

normanoffside wrote: »

Yep, there is no evidence Children are super spreaders, in fact they might not catch it at all.

They definitely do catch it. There's been a number of cases here, in the UK and elsewhere. Its likely many are asymptomatic though.

tobefrank321

Dickie10 wrote: »

well Harris came out and said it thepubs are dead RIP, long live the cafe/coffee shop were all Europeans now anyway i suppose, the pub culture was our last link to Britain so thank God we wont have anymore boozed up Britain stuff in irish towns on friday/saturday nights. No pubs open til at least early 2021. lets now draw a line under this talk of pubs opening, not happening til this time next year.

What done for the pubs was the idiots queuing up in Temple Bar and a couple of lock ins elsewhere.

It only take a small number of people to ruin it for everyone. Same happened with those flocking to Glendalough. They had to bring in the 2km restriction because of stuff like that.

If pubs limited numbers, they'd be low risk. if they took the usual precautions around social distancing and encouraged those with symptoms to stay away.

I see schools as higher risk, 6 or 7 hours a day in close contact, staff rooms, parents gathering and so on.

normanoffside

Cyrus wrote: »

but but but killer children spread the deadly disease so you must be making that up, they are also the deadliest carriers, whatever that means.

Yep, there is no evidence Children are super spreaders, in fact they might not catch it at all.

Nermal

seamus wrote: »

The ECB will look after it. The US treasury and the ECB are going to be printing money just like countries do in wartime.

Many countries are looking at taking this opportunity to move from the emergency payment model to universal basic income.

This can go on long-term, and probably will.

Printing money cannot replace lost output. Our policies are making us materially poorer, very quickly. There's no way to avoid that without changing the policy. Of course it can go on, but should it?

seamus wrote: »

As a species we're at a point where there's no actual need for anyone to go hungry.

I have ambitions in life beyond merely avoiding hunger!

[Deleted User]

I imagine they'll have to sort something for next school year but May and June are unlikely to see kids back at school unfortunately.

They'll presumably have to implement social distancing for desks anyway, so all kids at school 5 days/week will be somewhat of a challenge.

Cyrus

normanoffside wrote: »

With the talk of Iceland and schools reopening, it should be noted that Iceland never closed it's primary schools

That doesn't seem to have had any affect on the spread of the virus at all.
They have had very few new cases and no new deaths for several weeks now.

but but but killer children spread the deadly disease so you must be making that up, they are also the deadliest carriers, whatever that means.

normanoffside

With the talk of Iceland and schools reopening, it should be noted that Iceland never closed it's primary schools

That doesn't seem to have had any affect on the spread of the virus at all.
They have had very few new cases and no new deaths for several weeks now.

pjohnson

Mic 1972 wrote: »

Social distancing is also impossible in schools. Pubs/Restaurants/Schools are all risky in the same way

Tbf I'd trust kids to follow rules somewhat better than drunks.

Cyrus

Mic 1972 wrote: »

Social distancing is also impossible in schools. Pubs/Restaurants/Schools are all risky in the same way

so what, abandon education?