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Relaxation of restrictions

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Simon Harris curiously made a comment that there was a limit to how long people could put up with extreme level of restrictions as we currently have. Already we’re seeing in Italy that people are starting to get restless. So two big questions:

1) on Easter Sunday, do you think there will be further restrictions, no change with just an extension or some relaxation?

2) what will be the first thing rolled back?

My own guess would be: extension for at least 1 week. Then to allow some businesses like DIY shops to reopen, perhaps allow gatherings of 2/3 people, maybe a token increase on 2km.

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Gael23

My office are talking about reopening on a shift basis from mid May. By that I mean Alf would work from home week to facilitate social distancing

Cork Boy 53

drunkmonkey wrote: »

We know we can't be rammed on top of each other now and as I said I'm suggesting outdoor only.

And what happens when we get typically Irish ****e rainy windy weather? Where do these outdoor drinkers go then? Indoors? That would defeat the whole point of the exercise.

Nermal

iguana wrote: »

But how many restaurants can actually afford to run at half capacity like that?

None, really. Cutting tables in half doesn't cut the rent in half.

Prices will go up, incomes will go down.

That's what the lockdown/suppression strategy is, a slide straight into poverty.

[Deleted User]

stephenjmcd wrote: »

584,000 now on the govs €350 a week on top of the 212,000 that were already on the live register.
796,000 totally reliant on the state for income.

This simply put cant go on much longer, theres not a chance the state can afford that long term

It’s not long term. The €350 is an emergency payment for up to 12 weeks.

stephenjmcd

584,000 now on the govs €350 a week on top of the 212,000 that were already on the live register.
796,000 totally reliant on the state for income.

This simply put cant go on much longer, theres not a chance the state can afford that long term

drunkmonkey

Augeo wrote: »

What would be different if they reopened?

We know we can't be rammed on top of each other now and as I said I'm suggesting outdoor only.

Dickie10

i suppose if its not viable for them to open they dont open , leave it up to themselves,

is_that_so

Mic 1972 wrote: »

Thank god you are not a data analyst, you have zero understanding of data

Your own use of data is eh flexible.

Some individuals use statistics as a drunk man uses lamp-posts — for support rather than for illumination.

Professor Moriarty

iguana wrote: »

An awful lot of pubs and restaurants won't be commercially viable in this sort of scenario. They actually rely on the really busy times to ensure their profitability. There are so many posts here detailing how restaurants can open back up if they remove half their tables and make room for social distancing. But how many restaurants can actually afford to run at half capacity like that? For how many publicans will it actually be worthwhile to open up if they have to keep their customers all spaced out? Many publicans and restaurateurs are probably better off at the moment than they will be if they are expected to open up at some fraction of capacity.

If capacity and numbers are down because of social distancing, then prices must go up and costs must come down. Or they close for good.

is_that_so

Charles Babbage wrote: »

They have to keep doing this because some people do not seem to have got the message. There are endless people coming forward saying things like open the pubs, it will be back to normal in July, etc without any clear explanation of why things would be different in July than now.

Do you have updated data for the number of tests?

It'll show up tonight if they are asked or tomorrow night via de Gascun.

iguana

easypazz wrote: »

Secondly, remove all high stools from along the bar and allow service area at the bar only.

Thirdly, instruct security to only allow in whatever number of people are permitted under whatever regulations are in place.

Finally people will start going to bars off peak, even if its just for an hour or two on a week night, hence less crowding.

Pubs, restaurants and their customers are entitled to a fair chance to if they can run responsibly.

An awful lot of pubs and restaurants won't be commercially viable in this sort of scenario. They actually rely on the really busy times to ensure their profitability. There are so many posts here detailing how restaurants can open back up if they remove half their tables and make room for social distancing. But how many restaurants can actually afford to run at half capacity like that? For how many publicans will it actually be worthwhile to open up if they have to keep their customers all spaced out? Many publicans and restaurateurs are probably better off at the moment than they will be if they are expected to open up at some fraction of capacity.

Dickie10

well Harris came out and said it thepubs are dead RIP, long live the cafe/coffee shop were all Europeans now anyway i suppose, the pub culture was our last link to Britain so thank God we wont have anymore boozed up Britain stuff in irish towns on friday/saturday nights. No pubs open til at least early 2021. lets now draw a line under this talk of pubs opening, not happening til this time next year.

Charles Babbage

easypazz wrote: »

She must be the 1000th "expert" to throw their tuppence worth in at this stage.

Its amazing how the media keep pulling people that nobody ever heard of into the mainstream, just to throw out more or less the same thing.

Gradual easing and possible pullback if things go tits up again.

They have to keep doing this because some people do not seem to have got the message. There are endless people coming forward saying things like open the pubs, it will be back to normal in July, etc without any clear explanation of why things would be different in July than now.

Mic1972 wrote:

I posted the tests per million in another post
Ireland isn't testing as much as the countries in that list, and yet we are seeing in an increase in total cases per million

Do you have updated data for the number of tests?

easypazz

Mic 1972 wrote: »

I posted the tests per million in another post
Ireland isn't testing as much as the countries in that list, and yet we are seeing in an increase in total cases per million

Iceland shouldn't be compared to the rest of Europe because they tested a third of the entire population

We are doing very well on ICU beds and deaths outside nursing homes though, and these are the crucial indicators.

Mic 1972

easypazz wrote: »

Its who you test though.

The early stages here every hypochondriac was being tested.

Now we are contact tracing, nursing home patients, healthcare staff IE getting the right people and isolating them.

Which is excellent.

Thanks for posting this, great to see.

Thank god you are not a data analyst, you have zero understanding of data

Mic 1972

road_high wrote: »

It's the testing. You need another column there with testers per million. Iceland at the top is highly suspect as an isolated European nation, i bet they have done massive testing. If you test you'll find it.

I posted the tests per million in another post
Ireland isn't testing as much as the countries in that list, and yet we are seeing in an increase in total cases per million

Iceland shouldn't be compared to the rest of Europe because they tested a third of the entire population

easypazz

Mic 1972 wrote: »

We are actually lagging behind with testing too compared to the above list

Tests per million for the above countries

1. Iceland
2. Switzerland
3. Portugal
4. Italy
5. Germany
6. Spain
7. Ireland

Its who you test though.

The early stages here every hypochondriac was being tested.

Now we are contact tracing, nursing home patients, healthcare staff IE getting the right people and isolating them.

Which is excellent.

Thanks for posting this, great to see.

Professor Moriarty

Breezin wrote: »

As I said, it kinda sounds like that makes you happy, Professor God.

Okie dokie.

Breezin

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Having been spread around by the dumbasses, is it fair that the virus should then kill those people and their relatives instead of me an my relatives? Absolutely.

As I said, it kinda sounds like that makes you happy, Professor God.

Thelonious Monk

polesheep wrote: »

Then I assume that you are also happy to allow drug dealers to operate with total freedom and deal wherever they want to. And you are happy to allow boyracers to drive at whatever speed they wish to on our roads. I could go on. No one should get a free pass, including travellers.

No one should get a free pass, but travellers do because don't seem to have the systems in place to deal with their abuse of the laws. There was nothing the Garda could have done when they arrived given the circumstances, is all I'm saying.

Mic 1972

easypazz wrote: »

Excellent news. Shows we are testing the sh1t out of this through contact trace and getting the right people into self quarantine. and not just testing people who arrive at hospital.

Another positive indicator.

We are actually lagging behind with testing too compared to the above list

Tests per million for the above countries

1. Iceland
2. Switzerland
3. Portugal
4. Italy
5. Germany
6. Spain
7. Ireland

Basically we are testing less but the tests are returning a higher number of infected
Not really good news

seamus

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Which is why people with attitudes like the poster you replied to will in all probability be the cause of a surge in new cases and ICU admissions/deaths if the schools are reopened in the next few weeks.

The kind of person who thinks, "I should be allowed take the risk to get infected if I choose to", is the same person who will refuse to self-isolate if they do get sick.

The legal lockdown exists precisely because of the "it should be my choice" gombeens.

road_high

Mic 1972 wrote: »

in the meantime Ireland surpassed Italy for number of cases per million, we are moving fast

1. Iceland
2. Spain
3. Belgium
4. Switzerland
5. Ireland
6. Italy
7. France
8. Portugal
8. Netherlands
9. UK
10. Germany

It's the testing. You need another column there with testers per million. Iceland at the top is highly suspect as an isolated European nation, i bet they have done massive testing. If you test you'll find it.

polesheep

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I can't see how that would be implemeneted

Then I assume that you are also happy to allow drug dealers to operate with total freedom and deal wherever they want to. And you are happy to allow boyracers to drive at whatever speed they wish to on our roads. I could go on. No one should get a free pass, including travellers.

road_high

Stateofyou wrote: »

Didn't they say the Covid payment was for 12 weeks? Where did you hear "soon."

Didn't hear anything- just a hunch that the state can't maintain welfare at these levels. Probably even higher levels of applicants than initially thought or planned. If some businesses can reopen it will ease the pressure somewhat.

easypazz

Mic 1972 wrote: »

in the meantime Ireland surpassed Italy for number of cases per million, we are moving fast

1. Iceland
2. Spain
3. Belgium
4. Switzerland
5. Ireland
6. Italy
7. France
8. Portugal
8. Netherlands
9. UK
10. Germany

Excellent news. Shows we are testing the sh1t out of this through contact trace and getting the right people into self quarantine. and not just testing people who arrive at hospital.

Another positive indicator.

BanditLuke

easypazz wrote: »

Firstly EVERYBODY is aware of the situation now.

Secondly, remove all high stools from along the bar and allow service area at the bar only.

Thirdly, instruct security to only allow in whatever number of people are permitted under whatever regulations are in place.

Finally people will start going to bars off peak, even if its just for an hour or two on a week night, hence less crowding.

Pubs, restaurants and their customers are entitled to a fair chance to if they can run responsibly.

If its a disaster then change the arrangement.

Not happening my friend. July maybe at best.

Professor Moriarty

polesheep wrote: »

All true, but I'm also hearing a lot of perfectly healthy people making irrational statements regarding being afraid to get back out.

Yeah, I suppose everyone interprets what they hear differently. For the HSE/Government, it's that balance between scaring people and encouraging them to be responsible.

Thelonious Monk

polesheep wrote: »

If they cannot send them back then they direct them to a place of the state's choosing and split them up to ensure social distancing. The travellers should not get to decide where they go.

I can't see how that would be implemeneted

Cork Boy 53

Mic 1972 wrote: »

LOL!

The whole point of restricting movement is to avoid people passing the virus to each other and then bring it back into the household and infect the rest of the people

Which is why people with attitudes like the poster you replied to will in all probability be the cause of a surge in new cases and ICU admissions/deaths if the schools are reopened in the next few weeks.