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Relaxation of restrictions

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Simon Harris curiously made a comment that there was a limit to how long people could put up with extreme level of restrictions as we currently have. Already we’re seeing in Italy that people are starting to get restless. So two big questions:

1) on Easter Sunday, do you think there will be further restrictions, no change with just an extension or some relaxation?

2) what will be the first thing rolled back?

My own guess would be: extension for at least 1 week. Then to allow some businesses like DIY shops to reopen, perhaps allow gatherings of 2/3 people, maybe a token increase on 2km.

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Beasty

OK, we have posters on here who would continue with restrictions regardless of other considerations and we have posters on here who would lift restrictions regardless of other considerations. Two ends of the spectrum.

Y'knowwat? There are posters who are somewhere in the middle, thinking/hoping we may see some limited lifting of restrictions in a couple of week but not in a reckless way.

Now everyone believes they are on the "right side" of the debate. There is no right answer, there is no wrong answer - only time will tell whether actions taken or not taken now will improve things. However could everyone have respect for others. Interact in a civil manner. Cut all this "triggered" crap out. It's in all our best interests to see through this crisis with as little "fallout" as we can get away with

No replies to this post, just respect the rights of others to have different views and keep it civil

Gael23

lord quackinton wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0419/1132490-transplant-surgery-paused/

And the damage done by this lockdown
The lockdowners don’t get it , they are backing a plan that will actually ruin children’s lives

Going into hospital and getting infected means almost certain death for those patients. Nothing to do with lockdown measures

JRant

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

Who’s professor Nolan anyway? HSE or some crank on facebook?

Neither, he's an academic based out in maynooth. He's entitled to his opinion but he should have little input on government strategy. Considering how wrong his models have been I'd take any advice from him with a grain of salt.

Cork Boy 53

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

Concerts behind closed doors would be some job.

That was exactly what happened for the Together at Home healthcare workers tribute performances this weekend. Maybe artists performing from their homes will be the only possible way to allow concerts to go ahead for the foreseeable future.

pjohnson

Gael23 wrote: »

Going into hospital and getting infected means almost certain death for those patients. Nothing to do with lockdown measures

Kinda dissapointed he hasnt tried to explain that link dump.

alwald

It's by reading several articles online that show the potential impact of C-19 on the brain, kidneys, lungs and central nervous system that I realise the Irish approach is way better and safer than the likes of Sweden.

We know very little about this virus and we can't exclude these risks from the equation when deciding about lifting/keeping the restrictions.

Irish Aris

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

That was exactly what happened for the Together at Home healthcare workers tribute performances this weekend. Maybe artists performing from their homes will be the only possible way to allow concerts to go ahead for the foreseeable future.

Very true.
This is the one that hits me harder. Concerts (along with theatre/cinema) are 2 of my 3 main hobbies. On average I go to 2 gigs a month. I have reconciled myself to the fact that there will be no concerts for the rest of the year.

I just hope that some of the restrictions (namely the 2 km rule) will be lifted during May so at least I can go back to my 3rd hobby, playing table tennis.

Tenzor07

Pubs not opening until a vaccine is found?

Even if they do open it will be cafe style limited numbers...

Ireland is known for its pubs and pub culture attracts tourists..

Not to mention the large numbers employed in the pub sector

It seems like the Virus will eradicate 100's or 1000's of smaller pubs permanently...

https://www.thejournal.ie/pubs-not-open-coronavirus-ireland-5078446-Apr2020/

lainey_d_123

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

No Lainey, most people aren't bothered by this that much, everyone I know seems to be doing ok, including those out of work, people are resilient and will just get on with things as best they can.

Yes, your view of the world is the only one there is, and the way you see things is the only way, we all know that already.

Honestly, how can you even be naive enough to think that people are going to tell you how they're actually feeling? Most people I know think everyone else is doing great. They're not. People put a brave face on for the rest of the world. Attitudes like yours are why so many people feel so afraid to be honest about their mental health. 'Getting on with things' is what most people do because they have no choice. It doesn't mean they're not unhappy, terrified or struggling.

drunkmonkey

alwald wrote: »

It's by reading several articles online that show the potential impact of C-19 on the brain, kidneys, lungs and central nervous system that I realise the Irish approach is way better and safer than the likes of Sweden.

We know very little about this virus and we can't exclude these risks from the equation when deciding about lifting/keeping the restrictions.

The insurance industry is taking note, mortgage, health insurance, life cover could all be denied if someone tested positive. A vaccine seems like a bit of a pipe dream if you can get re-infections so therefore don't get immunity. It's years away 2/3 I'd guess if at all.
We need to have restrictions but we don't need this 2km thing to completely shutdown our parks and beaches. There was a woman on the radio calling the guards on some surfers in the Atlantic, a bit of common sense is needed and distancing is a two player game, if someone gets in your space move. We are all aware how to play safe now.

Thelonious Monk

lainey_d_123 wrote: »

Yes, your view of the world is the only one there is, and the way you see things is the only way, we all know that already.

Honestly, how can you even be naive enough to think that people are going to tell you how they're actually feeling? Most people I know think everyone else is doing great. They're not. People put a brave face on for the rest of the world. Attitudes like yours are why so many people feel so afraid to be honest about their mental health. 'Getting on with things' is what most people do because they have no choice. It doesn't mean they're not unhappy, terrified or struggling.

Lainey you're saying people are "absolutely terrified". Cop on ffs. You're trying to project your own stuff onto others. People seem to be doing fine for the most part.

Cork Boy 53

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Pubs not opening until a vaccine is found?

Even if they do open it will be cafe style limited numbers...

Ireland is known for its pubs and pub culture attracts tourists..

Not to mention the large numbers employed in the pub sector

It seems like the Virus will eradicate 100's or 1000's of smaller pubs permanently...

https://www.thejournal.ie/pubs-not-open-coronavirus-ireland-5078446-Apr2020/

Particularly in rural areas the economic crash from 2008 onwards together with the smoking and drink driving bans, the availability of cheap alcohol in supermarkets etc. and the increased tendency to drinking at home was doing this long before the virus ever existed.

alwald

drunkmonkey wrote: »

The insurance industry is taking note, mortgage, health insurance, life cover could all be denied if someone tested positive. A vaccine seems like a bit of a pipe dream if you can get re-infections so therefore don't get immunity. It's years away 2/3 I'd guess if at all.
We need to have restrictions but we don't need this 2km thing to completely shutdown our parks and beaches. There was a woman on the radio calling the guards on some surfers in the Atlantic, a bit of common sense is needed and distancing is a two player game, if someone gets in your space move. We are all aware how to play safe now.

Totally agree and the lifting of the 2km restriction requires the compliance of the public as it can't be enforced everywhere in Ireland.
I truly hope that the public will respect the distancing as per the current guidelines once the 2km is lifted.

drunkmonkey

alwald wrote: »

Totally agree and the lifting of the 2km restriction requires the compliance of the public as it can't be enforced everywhere in Ireland.
I truly hope that the public will respect the distancing as per the current guidelines once the 2km is lifted.

What your don't want happening is the east coast invading the west coast which a lot of dubs will do if allowed. A complete lifting could be a disastrous. I don't know what's the right thing to do, 150km restriction?

Mic 1972

the 2km is only for exercise, how is it affecting people so badly?

dePeatrick

JRant wrote: »

Neither, he's an academic based out in maynooth. He's entitled to his opinion but he should have little input on government strategy. Considering how wrong his models have been I'd take any advice from him with a grain of salt.

100% agreed, his models have been well off the mark and he was saying last time I heard him that face masks were completely useless...have switched him off since that one.

Tenzor07

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Particularly in rural areas the economic crash from 2008 onwards together with the smoking and drink driving bans, the availability of cheap alcohol in supermarkets etc. and the increased tendency to drinking at home was doing this long before the virus ever existed.

The pub was the only social outlet for a lot of particularly isolated elderly males, which will further there social isolation as without government grants most small pubs won't open again.

Gael23

I’ve been in my parents house for the last few weeks since these restrictions came in. After May 5th would I get away with traveling to Dublin which is about 2 hours away to get clothes and stuff from my own house in Dublin?

lastusername

Gael23 wrote: »

I’ve been in my parents house for the last few weeks since these restrictions came in. After May 5th would I get away with traveling to Dublin which is about 2 hours away to get clothes and stuff from my own house in Dublin?

Depends on whether they lift the 2km limit, right?!

easypazz

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Particularly in rural areas the economic crash from 2008 onwards together with the smoking and drink driving bans, the availability of cheap alcohol in supermarkets etc. and the increased tendency to drinking at home was doing this long before the virus ever existed.

I'd say a lot of rural publicans will get used to having their life back and not bother reopening.

lainey_d_123

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Lainey you're saying people are "absolutely terrified". Cop on ffs. You're trying to project your own stuff onto others. People seem to be doing fine for the most part.

'Seem to be' is the key phrase. You honestly just don't get it and probably never will, because you're completely lacking in both empathy and common sense.

Most people who know me would say I'm doing brilliantly. I don't talk about how hard it is to most people. They see me learning new languages, cooking different things, working hard every day, being productive, taking the chance to save hard for a flat deposit, getting through loads of books. They don't see the anxiety and the fear about the future, because I don't talk about it. Doesn't mean it's not there. People I'm close to are confiding in me about how much they're struggling - they're all outwardly successful, confident and happy. This is nothing out of the norm when it comes to mental illness.

Can't believe a grown adult can't grasp this.

easypazz

Mic 1972 wrote: »

the 2km is only for exercise, how is it affecting people so badly?

Because you can't leave your house for anything other than essential journey to work, shop etc.

stephenjmcd

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Pubs not opening until a vaccine is found?

Even if they do open it will be cafe style limited numbers...

Ireland is known for its pubs and pub culture attracts tourists..

Not to mention the large numbers employed in the pub sector

It seems like the Virus will eradicate 100's or 1000's of smaller pubs permanently...

https://www.thejournal.ie/pubs-not-open-coronavirus-ireland-5078446-Apr2020/

You can be sure this is only the start of it from the LVA, if other countries start opening up they'll be putting pressure for some sort of opening here.

LVA have alot of input here when it comes to government policy and pubs

dePeatrick

drunkmonkey wrote: »

What your don't want happening is the east coast invading the west coast which a lot of dubs will do if allowed. A complete lifting could be a disastrous. I don't know what's the right thing to do, 150km restriction?

Thats a very good point, too soon to know if clusters were created after bank holiday weekend by people going to holiday homes along the west coast.

drunkmonkey

easypazz wrote: »

I'd say a lot of rural publicans will get used to having their life back and not bother reopening.

A lot own their pubs and it's their life, I'd expect the majority to come back. They've no income after another 8 weeks, they'll want to be open again. There not a group can reskill due to their age.

Cork Boy 53

drunkmonkey wrote: »

What your don't want happening is the east coast invading the west coast which a lot of dubs will do if allowed. A complete lifting could be a disastrous. I don't know what's the right thing to do, 150km restriction?

The Govt.should build a Trump style wall all around Dublin with armed guards in watchtowers to ensure nobody gets in or out without official permission. Seems plausible right?

lastusername

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Lainey you're saying people are "absolutely terrified". Cop on ffs. You're trying to project your own stuff onto others. People seem to be doing fine for the most part.

You must be joking.

timmy_mallet

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

The Govt.should build a Trump style wall all around Dublin with armed guards in watchtowers to ensure nobody gets in or out without official permission. Seems plausible right?

If it keeps the baby eating, turf munching, bog dwellers out, then yes, I'm all for it.

LiquidZeb

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Indeed. It already has triggered the usual suspects on here.

Everyone who doesn't agree with me=triggered.

road_high

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

The Govt.should build a Trump style wall all around Dublin with armed guards in watchtowers to ensure nobody gets in or out without official permission. Seems plausible right?

No but what they’re doing now with severe levels of Garda checkpoints could work as it is now. Just applied to Dublin and the rest of us can continue on again. If you’ve legitimate essential travel to and from Dublin you can do that as people are currently doing.