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Relaxation of restrictions

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Simon Harris curiously made a comment that there was a limit to how long people could put up with extreme level of restrictions as we currently have. Already we’re seeing in Italy that people are starting to get restless. So two big questions:

1) on Easter Sunday, do you think there will be further restrictions, no change with just an extension or some relaxation?

2) what will be the first thing rolled back?

My own guess would be: extension for at least 1 week. Then to allow some businesses like DIY shops to reopen, perhaps allow gatherings of 2/3 people, maybe a token increase on 2km.

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Hearty80

Augeo wrote: »

Everything won't open again on 05th may.
Pubs etc won't.... No mass gatherings, if social distancing can't be implemented that place won't open.

Agreed far from everything, but it will begin and then move along faster than people think.

[Deleted User]

The chan chan man wrote: »

It wont.

I think the “curve” is a different shape to that modelled and initially includes an small peak. Relax the restrictions and you get the second larger wave in the series.

Low transmission rate, testing & hospital capacity and social distancing are all key.

I'm an essential worker. I've been at work Mon to Fri all through this, 100s of us on site. Social distancing 100% of the time.... Non essential businesses can also do it if they try.

Pubs etc are a non runner but there's plenty options to ease restrictions.

We shall see 400 ish new cases per day after May 05th for the foreseeable future. That's a flattened curve.

Mic 1972

Ace2007 wrote: »

Look at Italy, Madrid, China if you want to understand what a lock down is.

There are posters here from Spain explaining this in posts - but you don't want to listen to the truth.

No one is stopping me from leaving my house - i can run 10k and no one say anything, there is no army on the street enforcing me to stay in doors.

It's laughable and also worrying if Irish people think we are in a "lock down" in the true sense of the word

Correct. We have a very soft lock down here and people are still complaining

Mic 1972

BanditLuke wrote: »

Why do you think our health system isn't overwhelmed?

Exactly, nurses and people working in front line emergency jobs are exhausted If they had time to spare on this boards all day like we do I'm sure they would be happy to add their perspective

Ace2007

easypazz wrote: »

Walk 2kM on your own.
Shop for essentials only.
Drive to help vulnerable
Work only if in an essential service

Which of these needs to be removed to classify it as a lockdown.

Look at Italy, Madrid, China if you want to understand what a lock down is.

There are posters here from Spain explaining this in posts - but you don't want to listen to the truth.

No one is stopping me from leaving my house - i can run 10k and no one say anything, there is no army on the street enforcing me to stay in doors.

It's laughable and also worrying if Irish people think we are in a "lock down" in the true sense of the word

alwald

Hearty80 wrote: »

No we didn't yet and the next 2 weeks are crucial and will determine if we flattened the curve or not.

Wrong, it's not all over Europe but some countries are planning reopening with strong measures

Thanks to the restrictions in place

Wrong, most restrictions will remain in place

There is no lockdown in the first place so I don't understand what you are waffling about here

What's ridiculous is that you are stating something that no

Ok your right about everything well done you.
Its lockdown in everything but name.
Sorry to disappoint you but everything is going to open up again. I can already see people out and about more. Its impossible to keep this up indefinitely. Maybe you should build a bunker to keep yourself safe ��

What's disappointing is your analysis of the situation and your la la land take on what's happening next.
The latter part of your message doesn't deserve any attention from my part.

BanditLuke

Hearty80 wrote: »

Because we stayed home and will continue to stay home for 2 more weeks. But then it's time to go back to work and school.

Very good. So what happens when we do that?

[Deleted User]

Hearty80 wrote: »

........u but everything is going to open up again. I can already see people out and about more. Its impossible to keep this up indefinitely. Maybe you should build a bunker to keep yourself safe &#55357;&#56834;&#55357;&#56834;

Everything won't open again on 05th may.
Pubs etc won't.... No mass gatherings, if social distancing can't be implemented that place won't open.

martingriff

Hearty80 wrote: »

Ok I'm done with trying to explain to you, have you any idea of the amount of people receiving the Covid payment?? Its unsustainable. We will drive the country back into a major recession. Restrictions have to and WILL end, just wait and see.

Your right they will end. They will start to ease in the next few weeks. So me 1 person here who has said it will last forever

[Deleted User]

Hearty80 wrote: »

Because we stayed home and will continue to stay home for 2 more weeks. But then it's time to go back to work and school.

Social distancing can't be done in schools, social distancing needs to continue.

They are tkinking of schools 1 day / week. Presumably 1/5 of students each day.

Hearty80

alwald wrote: »

No we didn't yet and the next 2 weeks are crucial and will determine if we flattened the curve or not.

Wrong, it's not all over Europe but some countries are planning reopening with strong measures

Thanks to the restrictions in place

Wrong, most restrictions will remain in place

There is no lockdown in the first place so I don't understand what you are waffling about here

What's ridiculous is that you are stating something that no

Ok your right about everything well done you.
Its lockdown in everything but name.
Sorry to disappoint you but everything is going to open up again. I can already see people out and about more. Its impossible to keep this up indefinitely. Maybe you should build a bunker to keep yourself safe ðŸ˜‚ðŸ˜‚

easypazz

alwald wrote: »

There is no lockdown

Walk 2kM on your own.
Shop for essentials only.
Drive to help vulnerable
Work only if in an essential service

Which of these needs to be removed to classify it as a lockdown.

[Deleted User]

I think folk see Doctor Tony genuinely happy with how bad things haven't gone and reckon we can go back to normal on May 05th.

Easing of restrictions will be done in the literal sense.

They haven't sorted childcare for healthworkers as yet, creches & schools opening won't be one if the initial measures in the easing of restrictions as social distancing will remain an absolute necessity for months going forward.

Low transmission rate, hospital capacity/testing capacity & social distancing are the 3 parts of the Covid19 control triangle, any one failing and we are in lock down again.

alwald

Hearty80 wrote: »

We have flattened the curve.

No we didn't yet and the next 2 weeks are crucial and will determine if we flattened the curve or not.

Hearty80 wrote: »

Schools all over Europe are planning on reopening, why would ours stay closed?

Wrong, it's not all over Europe but some countries are planning reopening with strong measures

Hearty80 wrote: »

The health system is not overwhelmed.

Thanks to the restrictions in place

Hearty80 wrote: »

We are staying home for 2 more weeks, then that's it.

Wrong, most restrictions will remain in place

Hearty80 wrote: »

Time to face reality we are leaving lockdown sooner rather then later.

There is no lockdown in the first place so I don't understand what you are waffling about here

Hearty80 wrote: »

We will not be waiting for a vaccine to return to work, that's just ridiculous.

What's ridiculous is that you are stating something that no one is advocating here

Hearty80

BanditLuke wrote: »

Why do you think our health system isn't overwhelmed?

Because we stayed home and will continue to stay home for 2 more weeks. But then it's time to go back to work and school.

fleet_admiral

seamusk84 wrote: »

Great news if true.

Its not true. Ill bet my annual salary on it. Current LVA advice is still the first week of July

BanditLuke

Hearty80 wrote: »

We have flattened the curve.
Schools all over Europe are planning on reopening, why would ours stay closed?
The health system is not overwhelmed.
We are staying home for 2 more weeks, then that's it.
Time to face reality we are leaving lockdown sooner rather then later.
We will not be waiting for a vaccine to return to work, that's just ridiculous.

Why do you think our health system isn't overwhelmed?

BanditLuke

Ace2007 wrote: »

Ah but easypazz doesnt' care, because the healtcare workers will keep them alive.

Dont' you get it, easypazz doesn't care if 10,000 Irish die from the virus, all he wants is for the economy to get back on track.

In fairness to easypazz I don't think he or anyone wants 10000 dead but he and others just want us back to normal. What he fails to understand or is plain refusing to accept is that is what will happen if we go back to pre restriction Ireland.

thegills

The new graph is showing the actual no. of deaths vs. reported no. deaths. So on Friday say 40 deaths were reported but say 20 people actually died. So our peak was a week ago at about 40 deaths. I think. Still 20 too many and way too soon to lift any restrictions.

J. Marston

[Deleted User]

Hearty80 wrote: »

We have flattened the curve.
Schools all over Europe are planning on reopening, why would ours stay closed?
The health system is not overwhelmed.
We are staying home for 2 more weeks, then that's it.
Time to face reality we are leaving lockdown sooner rather then later.
We will not be waiting for a vaccine to return to work, that's just ridiculous.

The talk is they are thinking of opening schools one day a week. Social distancing to remain & no mass gatherings or crowded pubs.

Cork Boy 53

Stateofyou wrote: »

You have literally never explained anything to me. You seriously talk a lot of nonsense. I just want to know what a dog with a mallet up it's arse actually means - could you at least help me out with that one? Trying to understand what you're saying but I just can't.

Literally NO ONE is saying that receiving the Cover payment is indefinitely sustainable. So what point are you trying to make.

There's a global pandemic.
We're probably going to face a recession as are numerous other countries.
We can't over whelm our health systems. More people would die.
So we have to stay at home and flatten the curve.
We have to bide our time and figure out how we can ease out of this with the least amount of damage and loss of life until/if we have a vaccine or treatment.
Meanwhile people have to eat and pay some bills.
Thats going to suck for the economy but that's the way it is.

What are we missing here.

It doesn`t mean anything. It`s just some random phrase that the poster plucked out of thin air in an effort to make him/her seem cool or hip or whatever when in reality it just makes him/her seem idiotic.

Hearty80

Mic 1972 wrote: »

you seem very agitated in your replies, again, we are in this together
relax and wait until it's safe for everyone to go back to normal

I'm not agitated at all, but insinuating that I use school as childcare whilst I sit at home is ludicrous. I run a small business I don't depend on handouts. So obviously school plays a part in every working parents life.

The chan chan man

Augeo wrote: »

Restrictions will be eased, we won't be back to normal as such. Rate if transmission is now under 1, number of new cases should fall day on day.

It wont.

I think the “curve” is a different shape to that modelled and initially includes an small peak. Relax the restrictions and you get the second larger wave in the series.

Hearty80

Stateofyou wrote: »

You have literally never explained anything to me. You seriously talk a lot of nonsense. I just want to know what a dog with a mallet up it's arse actually means - could you at least help me out with that one? Trying to understand what you're saying but I just can't.

Literally NO ONE is saying that receiving the Cover payment is indefinitely sustainable. So what point are you trying to make.

There's a global pandemic.
We're probably going to face a recession as are numerous other countries.
We can't over whelm our health systems. More people would die.
So we have to stay at home and flatten the curve.
We have to bide our time and figure out how we can ease out of this with the least amount of damage and loss of life until/if we have a vaccine or treatment.
Meanwhile people have to eat and pay some bills.
Thats going to suck for the economy but that's the way it is.

What are we missing here.

We have flattened the curve.
Schools all over Europe are planning on reopening, why would ours stay closed?
The health system is not overwhelmed.
We are staying home for 2 more weeks, then that's it.
Time to face reality we are leaving lockdown sooner rather then later.
We will not be waiting for a vaccine to return to work, that's just ridiculous.

Ace2007

Hearty80 wrote: »

Ok I'm done with trying to explain to you, have you any idea of the amount of people receiving the Covid payment?? Its unsustainable. We will drive the country back into a major recession. Restrictions have to and WILL end, just wait and see.

Everyone accept restriction will end, that's obvious - it's how and when they will.

You have some posters -

Lord Quack for instance who wants everything lifted tomorrow
You have others who want to take a slow approach over the next 3/4 months and lift restrictions one by one and see the impact they have all our healthcare.
You then have others who want to lock the vulnerable away until we have a vaccine and to society goes back to normal.
My take is the approach of gradually lifting restrictions, and everyone is society has to play their part - so society will change the way it currently operates, the vulnerable can be part of society if they wish, knowing that they have increased risks, and society needs to allow this.

I believe that pubs for instance will be like restaurants - if your prepare to go for a meal with a group of friends and sit beside each other - the same will apply in a pub - but you must make a booking. Pubs can help make up the cost of reduce customers by charging a fee for a table for 2 hours for instance.

Society will learn to live with this virus, normality has changed as we know it - but that's not to say we won't be living our lives as best as we all can.

Mic 1972

Hearty80 wrote: »

Are you for real or do you not live in the real world?? How do you think parents all over the world go to work??? Its because there children are at creche, childminders or school. Would you like parents to take their children to work with them?? Or go back to the 1960's??

you seem very agitated in your replies, again, we are in this together
relax and wait until it's safe for everyone to go back to normal

[Deleted User]

Restrictions will be eased, we won't be back to normal as such. Rate if transmission is now under 1, number of new cases should fall day on day.

Stateofyou

Hearty80 wrote: »

Ok I'm done with trying to explain to you, have you any idea of the amount of people receiving the Covid payment?? Its unsustainable. We will drive the country back into a major recession. Restrictions have to and WILL end, just wait and see.

You have literally never explained anything to me. You seriously talk a lot of nonsense. I just want to know what a dog with a mallet up it's arse actually means - could you at least help me out with that one? Trying to understand what you're saying but I just can't.

Literally NO ONE is saying that receiving the Cover payment is indefinitely sustainable. So what point are you trying to make.

There's a global pandemic.
We're probably going to face a recession as are numerous other countries.
We can't over whelm our health systems. More people would die.
So we have to stay at home and flatten the curve.
We have to bide our time and figure out how we can ease out of this with the least amount of damage and loss of life until/if we have a vaccine or treatment.
Meanwhile people have to eat and pay some bills.
Thats going to suck for the economy but that's the way it is.

What are we missing here.

Nermal

Ace2007 wrote: »

Don't you get it, easypazz doesn't care if 10,000 Irish die from the virus, all he wants is for the economy to get back on track.

10,000 people, two thirds who would die within a year anyway. (https://ftalphaville.ft.com/2020/04/15/1586943153000/Why-are-we-really-in-lockdown--/)

Let's be generous and assume that the remaining third would have 10 years left on average. That's 40,000 years of life saved.

Until the present mania gripped our leaders it was national policy not to spend more than €45,000 per year of life saved.
(https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26497002)

So if we've really averted 10,000 deaths, we shouldn't have spent more than €1.8bn to do so.

We projected to spend more than twelve times that this year alone!

I think the only way some of you will wake up is when a ration-book pops through the letterbox. After you're done disinfecting it, of course.