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Relaxation of restrictions

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Simon Harris curiously made a comment that there was a limit to how long people could put up with extreme level of restrictions as we currently have. Already we’re seeing in Italy that people are starting to get restless. So two big questions:

1) on Easter Sunday, do you think there will be further restrictions, no change with just an extension or some relaxation?

2) what will be the first thing rolled back?

My own guess would be: extension for at least 1 week. Then to allow some businesses like DIY shops to reopen, perhaps allow gatherings of 2/3 people, maybe a token increase on 2km.

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Hearty80

BanditLuke wrote: »

Why do you think our health system isn't overwhelmed?

Because we stayed home and will continue to stay home for 2 more weeks. But then it's time to go back to work and school.

alwald

Hearty80 wrote: »

We have flattened the curve.

No we didn't yet and the next 2 weeks are crucial and will determine if we flattened the curve or not.

Hearty80 wrote: »

Schools all over Europe are planning on reopening, why would ours stay closed?

Wrong, it's not all over Europe but some countries are planning reopening with strong measures

Hearty80 wrote: »

The health system is not overwhelmed.

Thanks to the restrictions in place

Hearty80 wrote: »

We are staying home for 2 more weeks, then that's it.

Wrong, most restrictions will remain in place

Hearty80 wrote: »

Time to face reality we are leaving lockdown sooner rather then later.

There is no lockdown in the first place so I don't understand what you are waffling about here

Hearty80 wrote: »

We will not be waiting for a vaccine to return to work, that's just ridiculous.

What's ridiculous is that you are stating something that no one is advocating here

[Deleted User]

I think folk see Doctor Tony genuinely happy with how bad things haven't gone and reckon we can go back to normal on May 05th.

Easing of restrictions will be done in the literal sense.

They haven't sorted childcare for healthworkers as yet, creches & schools opening won't be one if the initial measures in the easing of restrictions as social distancing will remain an absolute necessity for months going forward.

Low transmission rate, hospital capacity/testing capacity & social distancing are the 3 parts of the Covid19 control triangle, any one failing and we are in lock down again.

easypazz

alwald wrote: »

There is no lockdown

Walk 2kM on your own.
Shop for essentials only.
Drive to help vulnerable
Work only if in an essential service

Which of these needs to be removed to classify it as a lockdown.

Hearty80

alwald wrote: »

No we didn't yet and the next 2 weeks are crucial and will determine if we flattened the curve or not.

Wrong, it's not all over Europe but some countries are planning reopening with strong measures

Thanks to the restrictions in place

Wrong, most restrictions will remain in place

There is no lockdown in the first place so I don't understand what you are waffling about here

What's ridiculous is that you are stating something that no

Ok your right about everything well done you.
Its lockdown in everything but name.
Sorry to disappoint you but everything is going to open up again. I can already see people out and about more. Its impossible to keep this up indefinitely. Maybe you should build a bunker to keep yourself safe ðŸ˜‚ðŸ˜‚

[Deleted User]

Hearty80 wrote: »

Because we stayed home and will continue to stay home for 2 more weeks. But then it's time to go back to work and school.

Social distancing can't be done in schools, social distancing needs to continue.

They are tkinking of schools 1 day / week. Presumably 1/5 of students each day.

martingriff

Hearty80 wrote: »

Ok I'm done with trying to explain to you, have you any idea of the amount of people receiving the Covid payment?? Its unsustainable. We will drive the country back into a major recession. Restrictions have to and WILL end, just wait and see.

Your right they will end. They will start to ease in the next few weeks. So me 1 person here who has said it will last forever

[Deleted User]

Hearty80 wrote: »

........u but everything is going to open up again. I can already see people out and about more. Its impossible to keep this up indefinitely. Maybe you should build a bunker to keep yourself safe &#55357;&#56834;&#55357;&#56834;

Everything won't open again on 05th may.
Pubs etc won't.... No mass gatherings, if social distancing can't be implemented that place won't open.

BanditLuke

Hearty80 wrote: »

Because we stayed home and will continue to stay home for 2 more weeks. But then it's time to go back to work and school.

Very good. So what happens when we do that?

alwald

Hearty80 wrote: »

No we didn't yet and the next 2 weeks are crucial and will determine if we flattened the curve or not.

Wrong, it's not all over Europe but some countries are planning reopening with strong measures

Thanks to the restrictions in place

Wrong, most restrictions will remain in place

There is no lockdown in the first place so I don't understand what you are waffling about here

What's ridiculous is that you are stating something that no

Ok your right about everything well done you.
Its lockdown in everything but name.
Sorry to disappoint you but everything is going to open up again. I can already see people out and about more. Its impossible to keep this up indefinitely. Maybe you should build a bunker to keep yourself safe ��

What's disappointing is your analysis of the situation and your la la land take on what's happening next.
The latter part of your message doesn't deserve any attention from my part.

Ace2007

easypazz wrote: »

Walk 2kM on your own.
Shop for essentials only.
Drive to help vulnerable
Work only if in an essential service

Which of these needs to be removed to classify it as a lockdown.

Look at Italy, Madrid, China if you want to understand what a lock down is.

There are posters here from Spain explaining this in posts - but you don't want to listen to the truth.

No one is stopping me from leaving my house - i can run 10k and no one say anything, there is no army on the street enforcing me to stay in doors.

It's laughable and also worrying if Irish people think we are in a "lock down" in the true sense of the word

Mic 1972

BanditLuke wrote: »

Why do you think our health system isn't overwhelmed?

Exactly, nurses and people working in front line emergency jobs are exhausted If they had time to spare on this boards all day like we do I'm sure they would be happy to add their perspective

Mic 1972

Ace2007 wrote: »

Look at Italy, Madrid, China if you want to understand what a lock down is.

There are posters here from Spain explaining this in posts - but you don't want to listen to the truth.

No one is stopping me from leaving my house - i can run 10k and no one say anything, there is no army on the street enforcing me to stay in doors.

It's laughable and also worrying if Irish people think we are in a "lock down" in the true sense of the word

Correct. We have a very soft lock down here and people are still complaining

[Deleted User]

The chan chan man wrote: »

It wont.

I think the “curve” is a different shape to that modelled and initially includes an small peak. Relax the restrictions and you get the second larger wave in the series.

Low transmission rate, testing & hospital capacity and social distancing are all key.

I'm an essential worker. I've been at work Mon to Fri all through this, 100s of us on site. Social distancing 100% of the time.... Non essential businesses can also do it if they try.

Pubs etc are a non runner but there's plenty options to ease restrictions.

We shall see 400 ish new cases per day after May 05th for the foreseeable future. That's a flattened curve.

Hearty80

Augeo wrote: »

Everything won't open again on 05th may.
Pubs etc won't.... No mass gatherings, if social distancing can't be implemented that place won't open.

Agreed far from everything, but it will begin and then move along faster than people think.

martingriff

Nermal wrote: »

10,000 people, two thirds who would die within a year anyway. (https://ftalphaville.ft.com/2020/04/15/1586943153000/Why-are-we-really-in-lockdown--/)

Let's be generous and assume that the remaining third would have 10 years left on average. That's 40,000 years of life saved.

Until the present mania gripped our leaders it was national policy not to spend more than €45,000 per year of life saved.
(https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26497002)

So if we've really averted 10,000 deaths, we shouldn't have spent more than €1.8bn to do so.

We projected to spend more than twelve times that this year alone!

I think the only way some of you will wake up is when a ration-book pops through the letterbox. After you're done disinfecting it, of course.

For the first point that would be 10,000 extra.

Are you really suggesting because of the age of I say majority of the deaths, we should just let them die. Who are you to say when someone will die. We have people is there 100's here in ireland. I am glad your not the 1 with the power here.

If they did just let them die you would be on here giving out they did not do more to help these people. Disgraceful stuff

easypazz

Ace2007 wrote: »

Look at Italy, Madrid, China if you want to understand what a lock down is.

There are posters here from Spain explaining this in posts - but you don't want to listen to the truth.

No one is stopping me from leaving my house - i can run 10k and no one say anything, there is no army on the street enforcing me to stay in doors.

It's laughable and also worrying if Irish people think we are in a "lock down" in the true sense of the word

Can you answer the question, which of my few rights need to make this a lockdown?

[Deleted User]

Hearty80 wrote: »

Agreed far from everything, but it will begin and then move along faster than people think.

Quite likely..... While not quite as fast as some other people think

easypazz

Mic 1972 wrote: »

Correct. We have a very soft lock down here and people are still complaining

What are we allowed do here that is not allowed in Spain?

Go for a walk?

Hearty80

Mic 1972 wrote: »

Exactly, nurses and people working in front line emergency jobs are exhausted If they had time to spare on this boards all day like we do I'm sure they would be happy to add their perspective

Because as I previously explained my daughters partner is a doctor in a hospital and they are simply not overwhelmed. In fact a&e has never been as quiter as the drunks and time wasters are not clogging them up every weekend.

Ace2007

Nermal wrote: »

10,000 people, two thirds who would die within a year anyway. (https://ftalphaville.ft.com/2020/04/15/1586943153000/Why-are-we-really-in-lockdown--/)

Let's be generous and assume that the remaining third would have 10 years left on average. That's 40,000 years of life saved.

Until the present mania gripped our leaders it was national policy not to spend more than €45,000 per year of life saved.
(https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26497002)

So if we've really averted 10,000 deaths, we shouldn't have spent more than €1.8bn to do so.

We projected to spend more than twelve times that this year alone!

I think the only way some of you will wake up is when a ration-book pops through the letterbox. After you're done disinfecting it, of course.

Nermal - why should we try to save anyone if they get sick - be much cheaper to just let them die - regardless if it's the virus or cancer or anything disease?
survival of the fittest comes to mind....

Ace2007

Hearty80 wrote: »

Because as I previously explained my daughters partner is a doctor in a hospital and they are simply not overwhelmed. In fact a&e has never been as quiter as the drunks and time wasters are not clogging them up every weekend.

So your son in law to be works isn't busy - but yet we have healthcare workers around the country exhausted and getting the virus.

But sure you know best Hearty.

khalessi

Hearty80 wrote: »

Because as I previously explained my daughters partner is a doctor in a hospital and they are simply not overwhelmed. In fact a&e has never been as quiter as the drunks and time wasters are not clogging them up every weekend.

A family member works in a hospital and is run off their feet. They have 2 emergencies one covid extremely busy known as the RED A&E and the other A&E non covid. One is busy and kept going the other is extremely busy. My ex nursing colleagues, in various hospitals around the country, tell me they are kept going due to covid related sickness admissions and staff with covid out sick .

Hearty80

Ace2007 wrote: »

So your son in law to be works isn't busy - but yet we have healthcare workers around the country exhausted and getting the virus.

But sure you know best Hearty.

Widely reported that emergency departments are not overwhelmed. Not just by me, why are you so aggressive it's simply a known fact. All day and non essential surgeries are cancelled. Hospitals are simply not overwhelmed, whatever you read on Facebook.

martingriff

easypazz wrote: »

Can you answer the question, which of my few rights need to make this a lockdown?

All of them as you are still allowed out. I thought the post you quoted explained it well

Cyrus

Hearty80 wrote: »

Widely reported that emergency departments are not overwhelmed. Not just by me, why are you so aggressive it's simply a known fact. All day and non essential surgeries are cancelled. Hospitals are simply not overwhelmed, whatever you read on Facebook.

in the us some health care workers are concerned for their jobs they are so quiet

I think some people here are watching contagion on repeat

khalessi

Hearty80 wrote: »

Widely reported that emergency departments are not overwhelmed. Not just by me, why are you so aggressive it's simply a known fact. All day and non essential surgeries are cancelled. Hospitals are simply not overwhelmed, whatever you read on Facebook.

No not overwhelemed to OHMYGOD stages but busy and kept going. Most emergency departments have been split in two covid and non covid. The covid is extremely busy.

polesheep

Ace2007 wrote: »

So your son in law to be works isn't busy - but yet we have healthcare workers around the country exhausted and getting the virus.

But sure you know best Hearty.

I'm about to go for a cycle with my wife, a nurse. She's enjoying her weekend off and not feeling at all exhausted. She was told that she should be going back to her own specialist unit next week as she is no longer required for Covid19 duties.

Mic 1972

easypazz wrote: »

What are we allowed do here that is not allowed in Spain?

Go for a walk?

Do you think it's a small one?
Here you dont have the police jumping on people if they are walking outside. have you the video of the guy laying in the sun on his own on a deserted beach in Italy today?

Tell me how

Cyrus wrote: »

in the us some health care workers are concerned for their jobs they are so quiet

I think some people here are watching contagion on repeat

Any link to this?